Welcome to This Is MS!

     Modules
· Home
· Content
· Downloads
· Encyclopedia
· FAQ
· Feedback
· Forums
· Journal
· Private Messages
· Recommend Us
· Search
· Site_Map
· Stories Archive
· Submit News
· Surveys
· Top 10
· Topics
· Web Links
· Your Account

     Google
Google
Web
This is MS
These ads help pay for the upkeep of our site. They are automatically served by Google and are not affiliated with This is MS.

     Languages
Select Interface Language:


     Who's Online
There are currently, 76 guest(s) and 7 member(s) that are online.

You are Anonymous user. You can register for free by clicking here

     Next Step

From the creators of This is MS comes Experience Project

EP is a community where members connect through shared life experiences-- like MS--and so much more. You are not defined by any one thing, so be your true self and find others just like you at Experience Project.

Get started by sharing your Multiple Sclerosis story.


     Donations

To remain unbiased, This is MS does not accept corporate sponsorships.

Therefore, we must rely on our users to help support us. Please donate to our upkeep if you have the means. Thank you!


ThisIsMS.com :: View topic - Brain plasticity
 Forum FAQForum FAQ   SearchSearch   UsergroupsUsergroups   ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 


Brain plasticity

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    ThisIsMS.com Forum Index -> General Discussion
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
NHE
Volunteer Moderator


Joined: Nov 21, 2004
Posts: 760

PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:02 am    Post subject: Brain plasticity Reply with quote

Learning to see with your tongue.

Most of us see with our eyes, but what if we could see with other parts of our body, too? The idea may seem ridiculous, but it's already been done. Nearly a half-century ago, maverick neuroscientist Paul Bach-y-Rita discovered that it was possible to "rewire" the adult brain, connecting regions in ways no one ever had imagined. Today, his ideas have given a handful of blind people the ability to see for the first time—using their tongues.

For a long time, scientists believed that after childhood, the brain became "fixed" in its ways and impossible to change. But Bach-y-Rita reasoned that because the nerves carrying messages from one part of the body to the brain are identical to those carrying messages from other body parts, it might actually be possible, even in adulthood, to substitute one sense for another.

So Bach-y-Rita went to work.

First he developed a device that translated images caught on camera into pulses that were transmitted onto a blind person's back. By figuring out what image was being "drawn" onto their backs, people could, in a sense, see the image that was in front of them.

Bach-y-Rita then shifted his medium from the back to the tongue, which is both covered in nerves and highly conductive. He developed a device called the BrainPort consisting of 625 sensors that deliver fine-grained spatial information to the tongue and, by extension, the brain. Over time, blind people using the device truly start "seeing": When the tongue is tapped, the regions of the brain associated with vision light up in response.

The BrainPort does, in effect, rewire the brain.

(video available via the above link)


NHE
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Lyon
Family Elder


Joined: May 04, 2006
Posts: 3372
Location: Mid-Michigan

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting! Thanks NHE.

I'm not sure if it's related to plasticity, but one of the most interesting films I watched in high school was directed at proving that the brain "sees" and not the eyes.

The researchers had a guy wear a pair of eyeglasses which made him see everything upside down. After a period of time his brain adjusted so that, when wearing the glasses, everything became right side up and when he took the glasses off, everything became upside down.

I guess that actually involves "perception" more than plasticity, but in the long run I'm not sure how much difference there is in the two, other than in our definition.

Bob
_________________
Wife diagnosed with MS in Feb. 2006 and is a participant in the Tovaxin IIb clinical trial.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
CureOrBust
Family Elder


Joined: Jul 28, 2005
Posts: 1272
Location: Sydney, Australia

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I watched the later half of this video with great interest, and confusion...

The woman has physical damage to the sensory nerve in her inner ear. Now, no one is suggesting that the helmet heals this nerve damage, yet the woman appears to have returned balance. No one suggested that she had any brain damage either. So what has changed to return her balance? Has another physical part of the woman now feeding the brain replacement information? hairs on her head (would of been held down by the helmet), neck? what? I could understand that if another body part feeds similar information that brain plasticity could possibly rewire itself to make use the new input.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
CureOrBust
Family Elder


Joined: Jul 28, 2005
Posts: 1272
Location: Sydney, Australia

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, I found an attempt to explain the effect at ==> http://sandrablakeslee.com/articles/brainport_nov04.php
Quote:
Ms. Schiltz, too, whose vestibular system was damaged by gentamicin, an inexpensive generic antibiotic used for Gram-negative infections, said that the first few times she used the BrainPort she felt tiny impulses on her tongue but still could not maintain her balance. But one day, after a full 20-minute session with the BrainPort, Ms. Schiltz opened her eyes and felt that something was different. She tilted her head back. The room did not move. "I went running out the door," she recalled. "I danced in the parking lot. I was completely normal. For a whole hour." Then, she said, the problem returned.

She tried more sessions. Soon her balance was restored for three hours, then half a day. Now working with the BrainPort team at the University of Wisconsin, Ms. Schiltz wears the tongue unit each morning. Her balance problems are gone as long as she keeps to the regimen.

How the device produces a lasting effect is being investigated. The vestibular system instructs the brain about changes in head movement with respect to the pull of gravity. Dr. Bach-y-Rita speculated that in some patients, a tiny amount of vestibular tissue might survive and be reactivated by the BrainPort.

Dr. Black said he had seen the same residual effect in his own pilot study. "It decays in hours to days," he said, "but is very encouraging."

Blind people who have used the device do not report lasting effects. But they are amazed by what they can see. Mr. Weihenmayer said the device at first felt like candy pop rocks on his tongue. But that sensation quickly gave way to perceptions of size, movement and recognition.

The technology is available to the public through the site ==>http://www.wicab.com/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Lyon
Family Elder


Joined: May 04, 2006
Posts: 3372
Location: Mid-Michigan

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although it might not seem obvious, I think the mechanics behind this is directly related to overcoming the disability caused by MS.

The video truthfully mentions the "earlier assumption that after early childhood the brain was fixed" and to a large degree that incorrect assumption is still widely held.

In hindsight, shame on us! Obviously adults can still learn. That's the marvel of the brain. It tirelessly learns and adapts, and learning and adapting is synonymous with plasticity.

I think a precious lesson is that the process of utilizing plasticity, in the beginning and for a long time after, offers no positive feedback and seems like a lost cause but eventually and invariably does work and eventually stimulation on the tongue becomes seeing as if it were through your eyes.

In the same light, overcoming MS disability isn't going to be easy and obviously isn't going to be worth attempting until the disease process is stopped, but at this point there is no reason NOT to consider it certain that any degree of MS disability can eventually be overcome.

The question isn't really "if" but "how"?

What is going to be necessary to entice the creation of alternative circuitry to power someone's legs which haven't worked for 10 years, or their sense of feeling and even involuntary muscles?

The brain ravaged with MS still has plenty of capacity to accept these responsibilities, but how to entice it to create the necessary circuitry is the challenge which I hope someone in the research world is working on.

Cure wrote:
So what has changed to return her balance? Has another physical part of the woman now feeding the brain replacement information? hairs on her head (would of been held down by the helmet), neck? what? I could understand that if another body part feeds similar information that brain plasticity could possibly rewire itself to make use the new input.
I wondered the same thing. It's obvious why there is no "residual" effect for the blind guy. Seeing requires the input of outside data and removing the camera and input completely removes him of that, but it also seems obvious that the input from the accelerometers would continue to be necessary to control the lady's dizziness, and for some reason it's not.

Underlying the situation is the fact that the impossible can't happen, so there has to be a logical reason for the residual effect controlling the dizziness.

I think the reason is that for the blind guy when you take the sensor away he is left with no outside input. The lady with the dizziness, obviously she is left with some kind of input, but what is it? We all feel the directional sensory input of gravity on our entire bodies but we've never had to rely on it because we were originally "wired" to rely on the system in the inner ear designed for that purpose.

At least to my way of thinking, the time with the helmet allowed that lady the time and ability to rewire her brain to trust her eyes in regards to up and down and the sensory input of gravity on the rest of her body.

As with most cases, there is a lot we didn't find out from the video. Our natural assumption is that everything for her is perfect but we weren't told how much her balance deteriorates with her eyes closed or other problems she might be left with.

Bob
_________________
Wife diagnosed with MS in Feb. 2006 and is a participant in the Tovaxin IIb clinical trial.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
CureOrBust
Family Elder


Joined: Jul 28, 2005
Posts: 1272
Location: Sydney, Australia

PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, this 'BrainPort' thing has been developed for use by the public.

In the UK, it appears that you can even "TRY" the device!
http://wicab.co.uk/try-device/patient.php

But they have both a UK and USA web address:
http://wicab.co.uk
http://wicab.com

There is also an office in Belgium, for Europe:
Quote:
Wicab Europe
Antwerpsesteenweg 124
2630 Aartselaar
Belgium
Telephone: +421 903 201 399
e-mail: infoEU@wicab.com
Customer Support: CustomerSupportEU@wicab.com


You can also read a lot about it on "HowStuffWorks"
http://science.howstuffworks.com/brainport2.htm
Quote:
Wicab conducted a clinical trial with the balance device in 2005 with 28 subjects suffering from bilateral vestibular disorders (BVD). After training on BrainPort, all of the subjects regained their sense of balance for a period of time, sometimes up to six hours after each 20-minute BrainPort session. They could control their body movements and walk steadily in a variety of environments with a normal gait and with fine-motor control. They experienced muscle relaxation, emotional calm, improved vision and depth perception and normalized sleep patterns


The UK site also has links to a number of research articles.
http://wicab.co.uk/research/clinical-research.php
Quote:
Study Results
Vestibular Study Results Summary
This summary compiles data from 93 subjects with balance deficits

The BrainPort Balance Device as a Potential Training Aid in the Rehabilitation of Balance Following Vestibular Surgery
ARO (Association of Research in Otolaryngology) 2008 poster presentation

The BrainPort Balance Device as a Potential Aid in the Rehabilitation of Balance and Mobility after Stroke or Traumatic Brain Injury
SFN (Society for Neuroscience) 2007 poster presentation

Training with the Brainport Balance Device Has the Potential to Decrease Falls in Elderly Patients with Vestibular Disorders
ARO 2007 poster presentation

A New Rehabilitation Treatment for Instability

Rehabilitation of Chronic Balance Disorders Using the BrainPort Balance Device


Nothing for MS, but I think I might still see if I can "try" one. Their form does have a "country" field.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Lyon
Family Elder


Joined: May 04, 2006
Posts: 3372
Location: Mid-Michigan

PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome! Thanks for being so diligent Cure.

Plasticity is such an interesting field which has yet to come into it's own when considering what we think we know, what we know and what we have yet to learn of MS and the damage it causes.

Bob
_________________
Wife diagnosed with MS in Feb. 2006 and is a participant in the Tovaxin IIb clinical trial.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
CureOrBust
Family Elder


Joined: Jul 28, 2005
Posts: 1272
Location: Sydney, Australia

PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got a response from the BrainPort people.
Quote:
Thank you for your interest in BrainPort® balance device.

We have not yet conducted any research with patients suffering from MS. Our clinical research so far has been targeting patients with balance problems due to peripheral or central vestibular dysfunctions.

Please let me know if I can help any further.

Best wishes,

Sona Walter

Mgr. Sona Walter | Marketing Manager
Wicab Europe | Antwerpsesteenweg 124
2630 Aartselaar | Belgium

P: +421 903 201 399
Web: www.wicab.eu
I will be writing back and suggesting that I will be more than willing to try it out for them, for free (ie I wont charge them a cent) Smile
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Lyon
Family Elder


Joined: May 04, 2006
Posts: 3372
Location: Mid-Michigan

PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting Cure.

I don't remember you mentioning which specific aspect you would like the brain port to help you with.

Bob
_________________
Wife diagnosed with MS in Feb. 2006 and is a participant in the Tovaxin IIb clinical trial.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Terry
Family Elder


Joined: Oct 27, 2007
Posts: 269

PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard one time that there was concern about this type of thing because it might be possible to accidentally wire a brain, for example, to feel pain when there should be none. On the flip-side of that, though, maybe there is a possible pain treatment in this.
Terry
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
CureOrBust
Family Elder


Joined: Jul 28, 2005
Posts: 1272
Location: Sydney, Australia

PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was interested from the start about the balance aspects; which the current commercialised unit is explicitly for. However, I guess I never explicitly state it. Its the balance stuff that catches my eye.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
NHE
Volunteer Moderator


Joined: Nov 21, 2004
Posts: 760

PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:50 am    Post subject: Re: Brain plasticity Reply with quote

Terry wrote:
I heard one time that there was concern about this type of thing because it might be possible to accidentally wire a brain, for example, to feel pain when there should be none. On the flip-side of that, though, maybe there is a possible pain treatment in this.

MS has rewired my brain. I know that this sounds extreme. However, after reading The Brain That Changes Itself by Norman Doidge, I am convinced that this conclusion is correct. For the last 9 years since my diagnosis I have had neuropathic pain in my right foot. I have never taken any medications for this pain. I have just tried to ignore it the best that I can and get on with my life. Norman Doidge's book talks about function creep. In effect, if a certain set of neurons are no longer used for a particular process, then functions controlled by neurons in the surrounding areas of the brain will begin to map themselves onto the under used neurons. This pattern of neuroplasticity is particularly prevalent in cases of amputation or where digits are bound together such that physically function as one unit rather than separate identities. In any case, I have experienced this function creep with respect to my leg and my leg continues to worsen (I now experience a bit of foot drop that I never used to have). If this brain port device could by chance rewire my brain back towards where it used to be, then I would consider that a good thing. Like CureOrBust, I would also be willing to volunteer.

NHE
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Lyon
Family Elder


Joined: May 04, 2006
Posts: 3372
Location: Mid-Michigan

PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Brain plasticity Reply with quote

NHE wrote:
In any case, I have experienced this function creep with respect to my leg and my leg continues to worsen (I now experience a bit of foot drop that I never used to have). If this brain port device could by chance rewire my brain back towards where it used to be, then I would consider that a good thing. Like CureOrBust, I would also be willing to volunteer.
I think researchers have only scratched the surface in what plasticity is capable of and how we can best aid plasticity......and it's obvious that in many/most cases we've going to have to help plasticity "realize" what we expect of it, much like teaching an infant the concept of the desire to learn is usually much difficult than the learning process itself.

Once we discover the best ways to convince the brain that we expect it to heal itself and HOW to heal itself, the actual healing process (plasticity) might not be all that difficult or uncertain.

Bob
_________________
Wife diagnosed with MS in Feb. 2006 and is a participant in the Tovaxin IIb clinical trial.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    ThisIsMS.com Forum Index -> General Discussion All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum





Personal Stories about millions of life experience--including multiple sclerosis support, lupus support, depression support . Built by the This is MS team.

Anonymous Confessions | Dream Dictionary
Site Map

This site does not offer medical advice. All treatment decisions should always be made with the full consent of your physician.


Visit our sister site dedicated to Inflammatory Bowel Disease: This is IBD


All logos and trademarks in this site are property of their respective owners. The comments are property of their posters, quoted articles are © referenced source, all the rest © 2002 by thisisMS.com.
PHP-Nuke Copyright © 2005 by Francisco Burzi. This is free software, and you may redistribute it under the GPL. PHP-Nuke comes with absolutely no warranty, for details, see the license.
Page Generation: 0.25 Seconds