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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:19 pm    Post subject: Haptens can trigger MS Reply with quote

I am author of a poster about environmental and genetic factors which can trigger MS. This poster is on my: http://www.haptens.republika.pl/images/poster.jpg
This poster had number P15 and was presented at International Conference "Advances in Clinical Neuroimmunology", which took place on 7-8 December 2007 in Poznan, Poland: http://www.neuroim2007.poznan.pl/teksty_eng.php?plik=posters.php
I have evidence that MS is relatively easy to predict, prevent and arrest.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jerzy,

Some interesting ideas presented in that poster, but no actual data to support them. Can you provide a link to your papers published in English peer-reviewed journals please? Or maybe give us an idea of the experiments you've done to support your hypotheses?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ElmerPhd wrote:
...Can you provide a link to your papers published in English peer-reviewed journals please? Or maybe give us an idea of the experiments you've done to support your hypotheses?...


ElmerPhd,

The theory about biochemical interaction between humans was published for the first time in Russian by Rumyantsev S.N.; Grzeszczuk J.: "Nasilno mil ne budesh". Chimia i Zizn. Academy of Sciences of U.S.S.R. Moscow. January 1990. 1, pages: 34-37.

Then the theory was published in English peer reviewed medical journals:

1) Rumyantsev S.N., Grzeszczuk J.: "Pathogenic Effects of the Human Chemical Biofield". Medical Hypotheses. Churchill Livingstone of Edinburgh, London, New York, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Sydney and Toronto. 1995; 45, 1: 94-98. http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/0306987795902112 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8524190?dopt=Abstract

2) Grzeszczuk J.: "Lewis Antigens as a Possible Cause of Sudden Death of Previously Healthy Adults and Infants and of Diseases and Phenomena Linked to Tissue Ischemia". Medical Hypotheses. Churchill Livingstone of Edinburgh, London, New York, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Sydney and Toronto.1997; 49, 525-527. http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0306987797900748 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9466379?dopt=AbstractPlus

3) Marcinkowski T.: "On the possibility of preventing multiple sclerosis". Medical Hypotheses. Churchill Livingstone of Edinburgh, London, New York, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Sydney and Toronto. 1998, 51: 445-446. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9848477?dopt=AbstractPlus

4) Marcinkowski T.: "The diseases of Alzheimer and Pick from the viewpoint of prevention". Medical Hypotheses. Churchill Livingstone of Edinburgh, London, New York, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Sydney and Toronto. 1996, 46, 180-182.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8676751?dopt=AbstractPlus

I can show practically in a laboratory:
1) how to make tests of blood and saliva;
2) how to find haptens and antibodies which trigger MS;
3) how to predict, prevent, arrest and treat MS.

Jerzy Grzeszczuk
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i love the med hypotheses j as much as anyone, and i take some of their stuff to heart personally, but those studies are still all published as hypotheses if anyone's a stickler.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jimmylegs wrote:
i love the med hypotheses j ... but those studies are still all published as hypotheses ...

Jimmylegs,
The above mentioned articles were published 1990 - 1998. Now it is 2008. I have been testing haptens and antibodies since 1982 (for 26 years). Results of my tests confirm the hypothesis, and therefore in 2007 I published the poster: http://www.haptens.republika.pl/images/poster.jpg

I have evidence, that I discovered the cause of MS. Now I'm looking for people, who would like to check up the discovery. I want to show them the tests practically, but it is not easy. All say: "the cause of MS is unknown".

Jimmylegs,
You wrote 1685 posts / 4.07% of total / 2.04 posts per day. You are very active. Can you help me to find medical doctors, scientists..., who would like to see the laboratory tests?

Jerzy Grzeszczuk
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But Medical Hypotheses is NOT peer reviewed. It is simply a place to put forward scientific ideas outside of the mainstream.
Anyone can have a hypothesis about something, but the important thing is whether it can withstand rigourous testing. You say you have conducted the experiments to inform your ideas, Jerzy, but your poster does not contain any data that i can see. If you produce the data, people are far more likely to sit up and listen. Even if it's preliminary data, some of us might be able to help, but we'd want a few more details of the experiments and results you have that have convinced you your position is correct.

I await your reply with interest.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ElmerPhd wrote:
...But Medical Hypotheses is NOT peer reviewed. It is simply a place to put forward scientific ideas outside of the mainstream...

You are right. Medical Hypotheses is NOT peer reviewed. I understood this today after reading "Peer usage versus peer review" by Bruce Charlton Editor in Chief of the journal Medical Hypotheses: http://medicalhypotheses.blogspot.com/2007/09/peer-usage-versus-peer-review.html

ElmerPhd wrote:
...You say you have conducted the experiments to inform your ideas, Jerzy, but your poster does not contain any data that i can see...

My poster does not contain any data about my tests of haptens and antibodies, but on my poster there is a table with: haptens excreted, blood groups and antibodies. Until 1999 all tests of antigens (haptens): A, B, H in saliva, and blood groups: A, B, 0 and antibodies were done in a professional laboratory by prof. Tadeusz Marcinkowski M.D. Phil.D. Since 2000 I started to test haptens: A1, A2, B, H, Le(a), Le(b) and antibodies, in my laboratory. Results of the tests gave me evidence, that the table on my poster is valid in about 80% cases of MS and some other autoimmune diseases. Every case of biochemical interaction between humans is another case. It is a long story and I have published about some cases in my books. One of the books: "Hapten (Antigen) Actions of Organisms - The Cause of Many Phenomena and Diseases" (in Polish) ISBN 8387790052, was published in 1998, had 315 pages and was reviewed by 3 professors medical doctors Phil.D.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi there, i am active on this site only. the rest of the people in my life are either unaware, or skeptical. in spite of my taking no medication and self-treating with quite a few various successes, my doctors are pretty skeptical so unfortunately, i don't know that i'd be able to interest them in having a look. there are some sciency folk on here that will likely have a peek in.
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