Under active immune system vs. over active immune system

Stretch · Newbie Joined: Jul 16, 2008 Posts: 9

Why do y'all think about the theory that it's an weak immune system going wacky that is the culprit in this and other auto immune disease?
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Lyon · Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject:

I thought it was pretty much accepted that MS involves an "inappropriate" immune response and not specifically an over or underactive immune response?

If Tovaxin does prove out then MS involves overproduction of myelin reactive T cells or the inability to control the numbers of myelin reactive T cells.

Bob
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lyndacarol · Family Elder Joined: Dec 23, 2005 Posts: 509

My opinion is "overactive."

In an attempt to be be concise, I was misleading in what I said. I do not believe that MS is an autoimmune disease. In fact, I am not completely convinced that it is neurological. I think it starts from excess insulin in the bloodstream, causing vascular damage first (as you all know). Our individual aspect comes in the form of "Why does each pancreas produce too much insulin?" I think my answer lies in my lifetime of a diet of too many carbs and constant sinus drainage.

Terry · Family Elder Joined: Oct 27, 2007 Posts: 269

Mine is neither. I think it is after something. Our myelin, etc, just a casualty of war. I reserve the right to change my mind, though.

HarryZ

I don't think that MS is an auto-immune disease...period. I believe that there is some other mechanism going on in the body that causes the myelin to degenerate resulting in inflammation. The immune system is simply reacting to this inflammation with more damage being caused.

Of course I can't prove this. Then again, they haven't been able to prove that MS is an auto-immune disease either!!

Harry

rainer · Family Elder Joined: Jan 18, 2008 Posts: 219

both and overcompensating, like using a sledgehammer on a fly

dignan · Family Elder Joined: Aug 12, 2004 Posts: 1186

That fly had it coming!

Stretch · Newbie Joined: Jul 16, 2008 Posts: 9

I like what you said Harry.... I just can't wrap my mind around all these drugs that basically destroy the immune system. It seems counter intuitive to the way we are designed.

Also is it me or does it seem like MS diagnosis is on the up swing. Everyone I run into seems to have MS somewhere in their lives via themselves or family/friends.
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HarryZ · Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:43 pm Post subject:

gwa · Family Elder Joined: Dec 02, 2005 Posts: 847

Stretch · Newbie Joined: Jul 16, 2008 Posts: 9

so your feeling isn't that it is more prevalent today..... just better diagnostics.

From my observation I have worked in a Dr.'s office for the last 20 years in a small town. For many years we didn't have 1 patient with MS, then we had 1, a woman. Now we have 6 all diagnosed in the last few months! They all go to specialists at Oregon Health Science University except for one that is going 100 % alternative route.

Then my boyfriends brother, my boyfriend and their step sister are all diagnosed within months by MRI and symptoms.

The brother has PPMS and in a short time has lost his job and can barely walk.
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