Osteopenia

ssmme · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject: Osteopenia

I went in for my bi-annual bone density test aka bone scan. Even though for the past 2.5 years I have taken a calcium supplement with vitamin D plus two additional vitamin D tablets (2000 iu's each), plus a multi-vitamin containing both every day I still had an additional 4.5% bone loss since the last scan.

The doctor indicated that my body may not be able to absorb these substances properly. She said a blood test could help find this out but is it really necessary to get the blood test to know my body isn't absorbing it? I know I could take magnesium regularly too of course not at the same time as the vit D but is the problem in my body. Is it worth taking the magnesium religiously for a year just to get another blood test that turns out that I'm still deficient what do I do short of moving to the Carribbean for some real sunshine.

My doctor has prescribed fosamax but if I take it does it have any affect on ms. Is it okay for me to take this?

Geez...At 42 years old I sure feel 80.

Sharon · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:11 pm Post subject:

ssmme -

I understand - I too went through the same thing with osteopenia, extra calcium, taking Actonel and Miacalcin. My bone scans continued to get worse. Then my chiropractor suggested he test me for an allergy to calcium - yes, I tested positive. Allergy to calcium is rare because your body "is calcium". To make a long story as short as possible - the chiropractor did an allergy elimination for the calcium - my body was no longer rejecting the calcium supplement. My last bone density test showed a stabilization in some areas and positive growth in others. This had not been the case for at least fifteen years! I will be getting my yearly bone scan in January - I am keeping my fingers crossed that I am continuing to gain bone density.

Just as an FYI - if you bring this idea up to your primary care or your neuro, they may not listen. They may say "impossible" to be allergic to calcium. Search the Internet for NAET (Natural Allergy Elimination Technique). You may think it sounds kind of strange; I know I did when the chiropractor told me about it. But now I am a believer as I have also recovered from being allergic to citric acid and grass. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.

Sharon

CureOrBust · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject:

I actually just got back from a DEXA. Prior to my MS diagnosis, i had a one of CIDP, which uses prednisone as the main line of treatment. Needless to say, it affected my bone density. anyway, I was put on Fosamax for a year (one tablet a week). I didn't notice any changes to my condition, but my bone density jumped up quite well (6% I think).

For the past few years, I have been on pretty high Vit D, but very lazy with the calcium, and I have loss some of that ground I won back with Fosamax.

robbie · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:32 pm Post subject:

CureOrBust · Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:24 am Post subject:

huh... I was wrongly diagnosed for about 8 to 10 years. Over that time, I had times where originally i was placed on it for 3 months solid, lower dose (I think 25mg/day or something). And whenever I had a relapse I was on it for a week or two (75mg tapering down over the week or two).

I wasn't constantly on it for 8 years, but I did spend a good time on it. a few times in solid month blocks.

I knew near the later few years of its bone density issues, so I also took calcium regularly. When I took a high dose of prednisone while also taking calcium, I was literally urinating with chunks of calcium! I just happened to try DHEA, as I herd it helped with CIDP (my original diagnosis), and found that if I was taking prednisone, calcium and DHEA, I didn't see calcium in my urine. I later found out when I picked up a batch of it in Aus (you need a prescription here for DHEA, I was previously in the UK where you could get it by mail-order, or bring it in from trips to the U.S.), the compounder was involved in a trial for that same effect.

jimmylegs · Family Elder Joined: Mar 12, 2006 Posts: 3678

an interesting review:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2184830
Effects of magnesium on skeletal metabolism.
Mg depletion adversely affects all phases of skeletal metabolism. In the rat, cessation of bone growth is noted with a decrease in both osteoblast and osteoblast activity, decreased bone formation, osteopenia, increased fragility and development of a form of 'aplastic bone disease'. The epiphyseal growth plate is thinned and the percent ash weight of the growth plate is increased, possibly due to enhanced crystallization of bone salt under conditions of Mg depletion.

if you read the rest of the abstract there is info on humans too Wink

my anecdotal post script is that when i was taking loads of d3 and far less calcium and magnesium, a visit to the dentist had her talking about my bone loss in my jaw. i could feel what she meant, too. i went home and by the next visit i had latched onto magnesium. at my next dental appt, she didn't comment on bone loss. could have still been there, but it felt better in my mouth and i'm optimistic Very Happy