Question re: stem cell therapies-

cheerleader · Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:49 am Post subject: Question re: stem cell therapies-

For those who understand these therapies...
It seems to me that it would be essential to stop or slow the immune process involved in MS first, before receiving a stem cell transplant- like the StonyBrook or Canadian trials. I read about folks going to Costa Rica or Taiwan and spending thousands of dollars in the hopes of "curing" their MS, but I wonder how this could be of any help, since the B and T cells will still go after the myelin.

Are these stem cell out-patient clinics just the latest trend in quackery and thievery...like those phillipino faith healers that stuck their hands in people and pulled out lumps of flesh during the 1980s...
or is there a way that injections of stem cells could be of any help to MS patients?
Here's the story that got me thinking....
stem cells in Costa Rica
anyone?
AC
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marcstck · Family Member Joined: Jan 04, 2006 Posts: 81

There have been studies that indicate that mesenchymal stem cells have immuno modulating properties. The Costa Rican clinic is using autologous mesenchymal stem cells derived from fat tissue, delivered intravenously, to modulate the immune system. They're also using umbilical cord stem cells, delivered intrathecally, in an attempt to repair damaged nerve cells.

Stem cell research is really gaining steam worldwide. Israel has become a hotbed for this research, and there is several studies going on in Britain.

The Costa Rican operation has been getting good anecdotal press accounts, but I'm still a bit wary.

I expect to see several US trials starting up within the next 6 to 10 months. I've heard there are several in queue waiting for FDA approval...

cheerleader · Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:50 pm Post subject:

Thanks so much, Marc-
I appreciate your knowledge. I'm still trying to wrap my brain around stem cells.
I have great hope for you and my husband and all afflicted with MS, and believe this is probably your best chance, but like you, I'm wary. Mesenchymal stem cells seem to be the most promising, since they are adult stem cells taken from the patient and wouldn't involve any rejection. And if they really can modulate the immune system too, without a chemo treatment first, it's a win-win.

Where do you think the trials would be happening in the US? Any sources you could recommend for inquiring minds?
Hope you're hanging in there-
best,
AC
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pursuing endothelial healing
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Lyon

DIM · Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:11 am Post subject:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/100276

gwa · Family Elder Joined: Dec 02, 2005 Posts: 847

cheerleader · Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject:

thanks for the Israeli study, Dim. It was hard to read that Dr. Cohen has been working on this treatment since 1981...when he published his first article on the T cell vaccine. Research is moving too slowly for impatient me. Looks like they're working with people in the "early stage of the disease", GWA, but this could potentially help all, I'd think.
AC
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Husband diagnosed RRMS March 2007
pursuing endothelial healing
Copaxone, Swank, supplements, laughter

Lyon · Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:43 am Post subject:

I think this is referring to what we've known as the "Sheba" vaccine, and have known about for quite some time, and is similar to Tovaxin.

In this review, notice that Dr Cohen mentions Dr Zhang's (Tovaxin creator) earlier work http://www.jci.org/articles/view/23396

Bob
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Wife diagnosed with MS in Feb. 2006 and is a participant in the Tovaxin IIb clinical trial.

DIM · Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:51 am Post subject:

Proffesor Dr Karousis (ex neighborhood in my father's house) that works in this team successfully inhibited more than 20 cases of MS here in Greece with stem cells (if my memory serves me right they called mesenchymal) but in one case that I know of the stem cells are from patient's brother rather from him as the first therapy with it's own stem cells was unsuccessfull.
I was remarkably affected from MS, almost bedriden, and now after a year from the therapy it walks.
Who knows what the future is in this field, my hopes are in "myelin repair foundation" findings.

k6ristin · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:06 pm Post subject: clinical trials

Have you visited this website:

http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=multiple+sclerosis

I have seen both mesenchymal & hematopoic (sorry for the misspelling!)
stem cell research. This one is complete:
http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00342134?term=multiple+sclerosis&rank=33

where first they got chemo then stem cells. Don't know the results...

It sounds great! The only one recruiting right now seems to be in England. Best of luck!

rusty2 · Newbie Joined: Sep 11, 2008 Posts: 7 Location: Illinois

I was going to try for the revimmune in Chicago at Rush. However, I'm now going to try the stem cell transplant at Northwestern in Chicago. The reason why- I'm just getting "over" a flare. Really bad one and really, really scared me. I feel that stem cell therapy is the answer-at least for now. I have a husband and son who I think or hope need me so I have to do what I can, at the very least, to stay in the condition that I am now. I hope that made sense. Dr appt Oct 28th Shocked

k6ristin · Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:50 pm Post subject: stem cells

Please Please post your experiences! I have friends outside of Chicago! I would try it too & will come running! (ok i can't run) But Good luck!
(I'm posting my research experiences on the Campath forum and unfortunately have nothing good or uplifting to say right now.)

ladystewart · Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:55 am Post subject:

rusty2 · Newbie Joined: Sep 11, 2008 Posts: 7 Location: Illinois

Yes, I will post what I can K6ristin. I'm going to see if I'm accepted, if it can be done soon, like this year as my husbands ins changes next year.
I hear ya ladystewart, got to do what we got to do. Very Happy

CureOrBust · Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:44 pm Post subject: Re: stem cells