environmental pollution

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do you live near an airport or have exposure to diesel exhaust?

NO,
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56%
Yes, when I was younger
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6%
Yes, I still do
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31%
Not really more than typical
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6%
 
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environmental pollution

Post by jerrygallow » 5 years ago

I read an ebook recently that linked MS to air pollution. I did find it interesting that this theory helped explain some of the clusters of MS. I'm just wondering how many people here live near airports or have had exposure to diesel exhaust.

The theory was that sulphur dioxide can cause MS. I have also heard that barium, which is a pollutant from airplanes and paper mills can do it. Essentially, there was a MS cluster in Boston near Logan International. The writer said a number of her friends lived hear airports. My friend with MS lives near Detroit Metro. There was a cluster in Key West, which should not have much MS because of its strong sunshine--but they do have an airport. It may also help explain why so many vets are getting MS--the trucks run on diesel and they have exposure to air craft pollution.

Historically, construction workers have had high risk for men (diesel exhaust), while elementary school teachers do for women (walking children out to the buses). This helps explain why the teacher connection does not hold for high school teachers. It's an interesting theory.

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Post by erinc14 » 5 years ago

I read that the rate of women to men with ms has increased since the 1930s and it's believed to be because of the environmental .

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Post by Leonard » 5 years ago

my family lived for generations in the shadow of the heavy metal industry.
I attribute the stenoses in my internal jugular veins to that.
I know I have at least partially inherited this insufficienty from my father.

the blockage caused by the stenoses will break the blood brain barrier.
the brain is then 'open' for virus, bacteria, T cells etc.
it prepares the condition to develop MS later on.

the problem of leaking long-chain molecules (heavy fats, complex carbohydrates) that are correctly targeted by immune cells in the gut wall into the blood stream is an age related issue; it has a genetic component; and clearly the flora of the intestine determines how leaky it is and this flora is influenced by your diet.

in any event, if these long molecules/immune complexes leak into the bloodstream, you have a problem:
- with a solid BBB, you may get diabetes or arthritis
- but if your BBB is broken, you may get MS.

the full story is on: http://www.thisisms.com/forum/general-d ... 15188.html
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Post by NHE » 5 years ago

jerrygallow wrote:do you live near an airport or have exposure to diesel exhaust?
Regarding airports, what distance represents "near," 1 mile, 5 miles, 10 miles?

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Post by blossom » 5 years ago

we are bombarded land sea and "air" it would have to come down i'd think. but the hubs would be thick with it. i owned and operated a auto recycling business "junk yard" for nearly 15 yrs. was there total 21 yrs. was exposed to a lot of it.

we have to have oxygen--maybe everybody's getting sick from slow suffication :-? not counting all the other crap they've got in our earth, food and water. the chemicals used in jet fuel were also in agent orange that the usa used in vietnam--compliments of " :YMDEVIL: monsanto :YMDEVIL: " that was involved in the production. give a read-i feel so much safer--don't you? ;) just knowing that the govt. that is looking out for me was and remains the best of buddies with monsanto-just kinda makes me have that warm fuzzy feeling all over. ya know----------------

http://www.gracelinks.org/blog/2363/get ... t-monsanto

here's a little sample of air traffic just in the usa.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9r3H4iHFZk

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Post by want2bike » 5 years ago

There was a study done in Texas showing people living close to a smelter show greater risk for MS. The toxins we breath do effect our health.

http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/epitox/elpasostudy.shtm

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Post by dlynn » 5 years ago

And Monsanto wheat, at the health food store, I heard a discussion between a customer and an employee about our wheat.
Is this why gluten has become such a problem? Has gluten always been a problem for those with ms?

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Post by jimmylegs » 5 years ago

well gluten does have antinutrient characteristics.. since the 70s societal intake of red meat has declined. apparently though, it has factors that counter the nutrient depletion from gluten ingestion. I have studies around to back up each of those sentences if you need links to abstracts. haven't read much about the Monsanto connection though. what were they saying at the local shop?
take control of your own health
pursue optimal self care at least as actively as a diagnosis
ask for referrals to preventive health care specialists eg dietitians
don't let suboptimal self care muddy any underlying diagnostic picture!

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Post by dlynn » 5 years ago

They were discussing the "Wheat Belly" book by Dr. Wm. Davis, I think that's his name. And also how Monsanto produces a hybrid
wheat which doubles the chromosome count. It was very interesting, they explained the wheat was 4' tall then the hybrid wheat
became 18" tall. I watched some videos on youtube of the Dr., now I'm gluten free.

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Post by NHE » 5 years ago

NHE wrote:
jerrygallow wrote:do you live near an airport or have exposure to diesel exhaust?
Regarding airports, what distance represents "near," 1 mile, 5 miles, 10 miles?
OK. I'm about 8 miles from a major airport. That doesn't sound too bad, but we are directly under the flight path for planes coming in for a landing. At some times of the day, it can be quite busy with planes about every 3 minutes. The smaller jets still have good elevation, however, the larger ones like 747s and 767s come in at a fairly low angle.

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Post by blossom » 5 years ago

rumor has it :twisted: monsanto :twisted: is working on controling our water. think it's bad now!

but, they're not alone competing in the hall of shame. so, bottom line we do the best we can. with what we can.

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Post by NHE » 5 years ago

blossom wrote:rumor has it :twisted: monsanto :twisted: is working on controling our water. think it's bad now!

but, they're not alone competing in the hall of shame. so, bottom line we do the best we can. with what we can.
Hi Blossom,
Regarding water, here's a book that might interest you.

Blue Gold: The Fight to Stop the Corporate Theft of the World's Water
by Maude Barlow and Tony Clarke.

You can find it on Amazon or perhaps at your local library.


Here's a brief summary of the book...
In a shocking expose that will awaken people around the world, Blue Gold shows why, as the vice president of the World Bank has pronounced, "The wars of the next century will be about water." Increasingly, transnational corporations are plotting to control the world's dwindling water supply. In England and France, where water has already been privatized, rates have soared and water shortages have been severe. The major bottled-water producers -- Perrier, Evian, Naya, and now Coca-Cola and PepsiCo -- are part of one of the fastest growing and least regulated industries, buying up freshwater rights and drying up crucial supplies. Maude Barlow and Tony Clarke, two of the most active opponents to this trend, show how the corporate giants act in their own interest and how, contrary to received wisdom, water only flows uphill to the wealthy, who can afford it. The consumption of water doubles every twenty years -- more than twice the rate of the increase in human population. Blue Gold captures in striking detail the forces behind the increasing depletion of the world's freshwater, and the human and ecological impacts.

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Post by criddybug » 2 years ago

I've worked in and around diesel exhaust for 10 years. I actually thought that's the reason behind my symptoms of smelling/tasting smoke. After visiting my ENT I found out about my lesions by mri. He believes I may have MS but, I've only been diagnosed with silent migraines. I also worked 12 hr swing shifts. I've been out of work going on 2 yrs now but, I still have many neurological syptoms (dysautonomia most bothersome) including the smell/taste still. I often wonder if my hours of work and exposure to diesel exhaust played any part of my problems. I'm only 37 years old with a history of great health other than mechanical wear and tear. I'd like to add another question to this discussion that no doctor can answer. Can diesel exhaust cause brain lesions and how can silent migraines lesions that are similar to MS lesion not have the same effects on the body? I feel so lost at times. Thanks for the discussion.

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Post by David1949 » 2 years ago

30 years ago I worked in an office for one of the major Auto makers. There were maybe 50 to 100 people in that office. Of those, 3 later developed MS. That works out to a rate of 3000 per 100,000. That's 20 times higher than the average rate for the northerm US, which is 140 per 100,000.
http://www.healthline.com/health/multip ... nfographic
Our office was adjacent to a lab were mechanics made models using wood, plastic and sheet metal. There were some chemicals used there, in particular methylene chloride. There was also a driveway running through the buliding, next to our office. But I don't think there was much diesel traffic here, mostly gasloline vehicles. It was an old building and who knows what chemicals had been used there. It has been torn down since then. Anyway I've often wondered if something there caused the 3 of us to get MS.

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Post by ElliotB » 2 years ago

Like many theories, there is no way to substantiate it. The first cases of MS were diagnosed before the invention of the diesel/internal combustion engines.

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