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Step 1: Assess/Correct Your Nutrient Imbalances

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by jimmylegs » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:07 pm
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If you have an MS diagnosis, you are likely to have a constellation of nutrient imbalances that have been extensively researched.

If you are...

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related info posted a few years back:

content excerpt:

Drug-Eluting Bioabsorbable Magnesium Stent (2004)

In this article, we describe the...
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Newbies Please Visit here first

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by LR1234 » Sun Jan 17, 2010 11:40 am
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Hi Newbies,

If you have any questions about CCSVI Please write them here and we will do our best to answer them.

Before posting please check to...

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Dear Jimmyleggies and NHE....
can we please make this a sticky or something??
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done! FYI, introduction section is available from the main...
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Five-Year Longitudinal Study of Neck Vessel Area

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Five-Year Longitudinal Study of Neck Vessel Cross-Sectional Area in Multiple Sclerosis

BACKGROUND AND PURPOSE: Alterations of neck vessel...

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Zamboni: Review of the Brave Dreams trial

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by frodo » Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:45 am

Extracranial Veins in Multiple Sclerosis: Is There a Role for Vascular Surgery?

Conclusions and Perspectives

From a pathophysiological point...

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Cardiovascular conditions are as common in those with MS

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Cardiovascular conditions are as common in those with demyelinating diseases (multiple sclerosis, neuromyelitis optica and transverse myelitis)...

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recent zamboni interview (may 2018)

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by frodo » Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:39 pm

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It is in italian. Can somebody translate?

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Thanks, that works!

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Dr. Owiesy's Superior CCSVI-MS Solution

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by vesta » Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:02 am

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Previously published on my site MS Cure Enigmas.

Just as I returned to work on my MSCureEnigmas blog after a 2 month “vacation”, the ThisisMS.com...

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Surely a small research group or network in the US could find funding to replicate Dr. Owiesy‘s brilliant work. Use his pre/post model and follow-up...

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Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:35 am
MS B-cells in vitro do weird things. CCSVI link?

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by frodo » Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:33 am

This is an article that I am reading slowly, as I do not understand most of the things it says. But the summary is that MS B-cells do weird things....

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Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:33 am
Chinese researchers on CCSVI April 2018

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by Cece » Thu May 03, 2018 5:05 pm

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CNS Neurosci Ther. 2018 Apr 23. doi: 10.1111/cns.12859.
Understanding jugular venous outflow disturbance.

Zhou D1,2,3, Ding JY1,2,3, Ya JY1,2,3,...

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Thanks. I have found something similar. Also from chinese people but I am unable to know if they are related.

Cerebral Blood Flow Changes in...

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Thu May 24, 2018 8:50 am
Cerebral Blood Flow Changes in Multiple Sclerosis

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by frodo » Thu May 24, 2018 8:47 am

Cerebral Blood Flow Changes in Multiple Sclerosis and Neuromyelitis Optica and Their Correlations With Clinical Disability.

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Thu May 24, 2018 8:47 am
red blood cells have altered metabolism

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by frodo » Thu May 24, 2018 12:23 am

red blood cells have altered metabolism

Glucose transporter 1 (GLUT1) is the main glucose transporter on RBCs, and all metabolism within theRBC...

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Thu May 24, 2018 12:23 am
new biomarker linked to blood flow

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by frodo » Tue May 22, 2018 4:48 am

Quote: The glycocalyx (GLX) is carbohydrate-rich outer surface of the blood vessel wall and is the first interaction between the blood and the...

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Tue May 22, 2018 4:48 am
impaired cerebral perfusion in MS

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by frodo » Tue May 22, 2018 4:35 am

Long paper about general brain perfusion, but deals with MS at the end:

Extracted from the article:

Brain perfusion in MS

In patients with MS,...

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Tue May 22, 2018 4:35 am
CCSVI and Colloidal Silver...safe?

Last post by Cece « Wed May 16, 2018 6:42 pm
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by dlynn » Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:06 pm

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Does anyone know if it is safe to take Colloidal Silver (internally) after being diagnosed with CCSVI?
I have had angioplasty but it has been...

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Silver can be toxic to nerve cells in the brain and spinal cord, but is normally prevented from entering those areas by the blood-brain barrier....

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Wed May 16, 2018 6:42 pm
sustained relief from headaches after balloon angioplasty

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by frodo » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:02 am

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Mid-term sustained relief from headaches after balloon angioplasty of the internal jugular veins in patients with multiple sclerosis.

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This is solid research from Dr. Beggs. There is a market for jugular angioplasty for people who suffer from migraines. And it fits with the already...

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Sat May 12, 2018 5:32 pm
CCSVI angioplasty procedure ok to do unless called research

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by Cece » Sat May 12, 2018 5:18 pm

The FDA could intervene in the cases of Arata and McGuckin because they were calling their procedures research, over which the agency has...

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Sat May 12, 2018 5:18 pm
Bruxism and Temporal Bone Hypermobility In Patients with MS

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Is Multiple Sclerosis Caused by the Jaw and Cranial Bones?

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by ANothingNobody » Mon May 07, 2018 12:21 pm

Multiple Sclerosis (MS) is likely a biomechanical disease caused by the jaw muscles, cranial bones, and veins of the body. The autoimmune paradigm...

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Mon May 07, 2018 12:21 pm
Angiogenesis, fingolimod and ceramides

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by frodo » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:19 pm

Recently I am finding some connections that I would like to share.

First of all, Fingolimod is a known active principle, an immune-modulator, which...

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Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:19 pm
Recent article: CCSVI could work for only some patients

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by frodo » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:48 am

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Chronic Cerebro-Spinal Venous Insufficiency in Multiple Sclerosis: Is It the End?

It was published the long awaited Italian clinical trial...

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ALL MS treatments seem to work for only some patients which to me says everything you need to know about their effectiveness. Yet for people in...

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Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:18 am
Is CCSVI Atlanta legit???

Last post by ElliotB « Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:57 am
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by magoo » Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:40 am

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CCSVI Atlanta claims to have a tech trained in the Zamboni method Doppler. I NEED to know if anyone has experience with this place. The technician is...

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Until CCSVI is proven effective, there will be no end to the negatives on the treatment. At this time, CCSVI along with 100% of all other treatments...

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Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:57 am
The central vein sign

Last post by frodo « Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:29 am
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by 1eye » Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:50 am

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The CVS (Central Vein Sign) is an unmistakeable indication of MS. I expect it is an unmistakeable sign of CCSVI as well. Prevalence studies in...

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Central vein sign in multiple sclerosis. Ready for front and center?

The diagnosis of multiple sclerosis (MS), while often...

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Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:29 am
Retroviruses under hypoxia. The missing link?

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by frodo » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:08 am

This article points out that endogenous retroviruses that are normally latent reactivate under hypoxia (bad blood flow) conditions. Could this...

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Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:08 am
TYSABRI

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by AkiraLe » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:20 am

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MY DOC IS TELLING ME TO GET ON TYSABRI. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY POSITIVE RESULTS TAKING THAT MEDICATION?

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MY DOC IS TELLING ME TO GET ON TYSABRI. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY POSITIVE RESULTS TAKING THAT MEDICATION?

Hi AkiraLe and welcome! There are plenty of...

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Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:30 pm
Trigeminal Neuralgia, MS and Veins

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by vesta » Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:34 am

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I noticed a post referring to Trigeminal Neuralgia on the ThisisMS website. Because THX1138 posted something recently I assumed the issue was...

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Dealing with problems of the trigeminal nerve (TN) is similar to the ongoing discussion of CCSVI. Are the veins really blocked, and if so, from the...

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Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:43 am
Impaired Cardiac Function in MS

Last post by frodo « Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:21 am

by frodo » Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:21 am

Impaired Cardiac Function in Patients with Multiple Sclerosis by Comparison with Normal Subjects

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Multiple sclerosis (MS), neurologic...

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Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:21 am
Color vision in multiple sclerosis

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by frodo » Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:41 am

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Do you remember the reports about improvement after PTA? Not sure about the relationship, but is worth to read about.

Impairment of acquired color...

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interesting. would be neat to see serum zinc levels in these groups.

personally, i used to see purplish items as grey before restoring nutrient...

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Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:55 pm
study shows PTA helps head-ache long-term in MS

Last post by vesta « Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:43 am
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by 1eye » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:35 am

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improvements seen long-term from PTA in RRMS, SPMS, may work in PPMS as well, relieves venous pressure

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improvements seen long-term from PTA in RRMS, SPMS, may work in PPMS as well, relieves venous pressure

Greetings:

Thanks much for posting this...

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Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:43 am
Cerebrospinal Fluid Dynamics in Patients with MS

Last post by NHE « Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:57 pm
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by frodo » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:25 am

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Cerebrospinal Fluid Dynamics in Patients with Multiple Sclerosis: The Role of Phase-Contrast MRI in the Differential Diagnosis of Active and Chronic...

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Cerebrospinal Fluid Dynamics in Patients with Multiple Sclerosis: The Role of Phase-Contrast MRI in the Differential Diagnosis of Active and Chronic...

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Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:57 pm
CCSVI dead - surely an apology needed from Cheerleader

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by bromley » Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:09 pm
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no ifs, no buts.

CCSVI is dead and buried. It was fakery and bad science and promoted by Cheerleader.

MSers wasted time and money.

If it really...

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Okay. Thanks!
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Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:23 pm
Altitude and blood flow

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by ElMarino » Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:27 pm
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Is this relevant to CCSVI?

I was flying transatlantic, home to the UK and when I arrived, and bear in mind my MS was at the stage when I had to give...

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Hi Theskyking,

I don't know the answer to your question and I'm not a medical professional, but if higher elevation makes blood thicker (as someone...
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Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:23 pm
Jugular Anomalies in MS associated with collateral flow

Last post by Cece « Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:14 am
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by frodo » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:19 am

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Jugular Anomalies in Multiple Sclerosis Are Associated with Increased Collateral Venous Flow

CONCLUSIONS: Compared with healthy controls,...

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This would answer a question raised in the Journal of Vascular Surgery - Venous and Lymphathic Disorders that I read the other day.
The hypothesis...

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Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:14 am
does anyone know the correct Billable codes for a venaplasty

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by jaynekae » Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:39 pm

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Hello, I have been evaluated for ccsvi and I am a canidate. But, I have Medicare and my Doctor won't proceed with my venolplasty until finds the...

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Thank you for these diagnoses and codes.

Several of us are wondering similarly.

I think coding has changed (it's 7 years later, now), but this is...

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Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:02 pm
Could it be that CCSVI just makes MS worse?

Last post by frodo « Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:31 am
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by frodo » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:39 am

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Could it be that CCSVI just makes MS worse?

This is an idea that came to me after reading an article named The topograpy of demyelination and...

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More about the same:

Vascular comorbidities in the onset and progression of multiple sclerosis

Source:

Abstract

Vascular comorbidities are...

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Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:31 am
Picamilon - Niacin for the brain (ie Vasodilator)

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by CureOrBust » Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:16 am

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I haven't looked into it too far at this stage, but after stumbling across it, the links are looking interesting.

Picamilon is able to cross the...

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The Latest Insight and Controversy About Picamilon
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Despite the clear benefits and low...

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Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:30 am
The Brave Dreams clinical trial of venous PTA

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by 1eye » Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:39 am

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Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:09 am
astronaut eyes

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by Cece » Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:53 pm

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More information on the damage to astronaut eyes during long term spaceflight. It was on CNN's website so probably fake news. Just kidding. Thought...

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NASA and others have used a bed rest model to induce the adverse effects of microgravity on astronauts. Prolonged bed rest, both flat and head down...

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Dr Paul Thibault - current position on CCSVI

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by hwebb » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:10 pm

From CCSVI / CCSVO specialist Dr Paul Thibault :

The concern I have is that people (medical doctors, patients, and the general public) will become...

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Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:10 pm
Paper: Angioplasty of internal jugular and azygous vein

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by frodo » Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:13 am

Percutaneous angioplasty of internal jugular and azygous veins in patients with chronic cerebrospinal venous insufficiency and multiple sclerosis:...

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Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:13 am
brain drain

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by 1eye » Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:16 pm

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The question in my mind is: is it nocturnal (i.e. during REM sleep). If it is, (the mice drained during diurnal sleep -- i.e., during the day) we may...

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Right, Dr. Sclafani has written that the venoplasty treatment of CCSVI should be evaluated and considered for neurologic disease in addition to MS....

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Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:55 pm
vascular impact in brain volume and lesion load

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The impact of vascular risk factors on brain volume and lesion load in patients with early multiple sclerosis

Conclusion:

VRF are associated...

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Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:16 pm
Vit D3>125nmol/L (50ng/ml) in blood. Goal for pwMS

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First step is to take Vitamin D3, minimum level for pwMS is 125 nmol/L of 25-hydroxyvitamin D in blood (50ng/ml). My advice (edited 3 March 13 with...

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A 'so what' paper..................
Why?? Because both pwMS and controls had mean serum 25-OH vitamin D level was 26.07 ± 10.27 ng/mL for the control...
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eustacian tube part of story

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New association of vein anomalies and MS found, Sept. 2017

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New association of vein anomalies and MS found, Sept. 2017. I put the date because this has been reported already before.

I would say that is...

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Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:46 am
Vascular hypoperfusion in acute optic neuritis

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by frodo » Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:25 am

Vascular hypoperfusion in acute optic neuritis is a potentially new neurovascular model for demyelinating diseases.

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PURPOSE:...

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Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:25 am
Brave Dreams

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by 1eye » Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:05 pm

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Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:55 pm
Inversion?

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by koneall » Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:15 am

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For the past ten years I've used The Back Revolution, an inversion device designed to decompress lumbar discs: Could this work with CCSVI?

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I don't think so. CCSVI means that the blood flow drains more slowly from your head. By inverting, it would drain even slower yet, which would be the...

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Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:53 pm
Association of Developmental Venous Anomalies with MS

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by frodo » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:25 am

Association of Developmental Venous Anomalies with Demyelinating Lesions in Patients with MS

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We present 5 cases of demyelination...

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Sun Sep 17, 2017 3:47 pm
Horse chestnut

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by lumpc1 » Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:05 am
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Do not know if anyone is interested, but I started horse chestnut Dec. 1, in form of venastat: 600mg time realize. started felling foot sensations...

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This is one of the most interesting threads on CCSVI I've read in a long time. Any updates from the folks here who have posted? Thanks.
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Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:22 pm
Doppler ultrasound tests can be normalised

Last post by ThisIsMA « Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:32 am
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by frodo » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:49 pm

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It is known that doppler ultrasound tests can yield different results according to the operator. This has been one of the problems leading to...

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This is an interesting study, but I didn't see any mention of how many people with MS were diagnosed with CCSVI versus how many healthy controls were...

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Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:32 am
TVAM and stem cells?

Last post by vesta « Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:22 am
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by ksher » Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:58 am

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Would love to talk to someone who has had this procedure done recently about what it is and how it went. Has anyone here had it done in the last six...

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I thought this forum was for discussion of CCSVI. Perhaps you should post in the General forum.

TVAM is CCSVI and it is entirely appropriate to be...

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Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:22 am
jugular veins are 10% narrower in MS than controls

Last post by 1eye « Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:08 pm
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by frodo » Sun Jul 16, 2017 1:32 am

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Background

Multiple sclerosis (MS) is a chronic disease of the central nervous system. As an association between MS and reduced cerebral...

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I think if Dr. Freedman, and various others, came out with a paper, saying CCSVI theory is true and useful, there would still be paid shills willing...

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Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:08 pm

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