From wheelchair to walking?

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From wheelchair to walking?

Post by labilios » 5 days ago

Hello.
I have ppms 17 years and I am in a wheelchair few years.I can't walk.Do you know anyone that he was in wheelchair and now walks?

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Post by ElliotB » 5 days ago

Dr. Terry Wahls. There are probably others too! Some of the new treatments seem to be effective helping people with more advanced stages of MS.

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noting that wahls' back story is vegetarianism, therefore dietary elements of recovery methods cannot necessarily be generalized to all ms patients.

(aside: i'm still wondering whether you are taking 1 of 3 of your multis per day, or 3 of 3).
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Post by ElliotB » 5 days ago

"therefore dietary elements of recovery methods cannot necessarily be generalized to all ms patients"

This may be true, no way of knowing for sure, but the fact is that some people with more advanced MS like PPMS and SPMS have seen improvements through a number of different protocols is very encouraging. I believe there have been success stories for cases involving advanced MS related to stem cell therapy, high dose vitamin D3, and FMT to name a few and in some cases, like Wahls, people have gotten out of their wheel chairs. The fact is just a few years ago, cases of these types of recovery were unheard of. Obviously more research needs to be done to determine what has transpired but I find that the fact that there have been some limited success stories highly encouraging!

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Post by jimmylegs » 5 days ago

trial design associated with testing wahls' protocol efficacy has been disappointing to date.
i suspect many individuals would go far by paying closer attention to daily essential macro and micro nutrient requirements.
that said, sometimes damage is irreversible. i definitely let a few things go too long unattended, for my part.
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Post by jimmylegs » 5 days ago

found this 2016 intervention including ppms patients.
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not that it records the wheelchair bound regaining function mind you - design definitely still leaves something to be desired.
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ask for referrals to preventive health care specialists eg dietitians
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Post by labilios » 4 days ago

jimmylegs wrote:
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noting that wahls' back story is vegetarianism, therefore dietary elements of recovery methods cannot necessarily be generalized to all ms patients.

(aside: i'm still wondering whether you are taking 1 of 3 of your multis per day, or 3 of 3).
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Hello.I take 1 multivitanin,but I started magnesium 350-400 mg per day.I did make blood test.I will learn the results next week.Do you know some good multivitamin brand?

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Post by jimmylegs » 4 days ago

great news that you added more magnesium than the bit in the multi. can you share a link to the product label?

good to hear re testing. as for the results, recall that the reference ranges can vary lab to lab, can be very broad, and depending what range your lab actually uses, you are likely to be much better off with a result right at the top of the range.

your multi is good, assuming this is correct:
https://www.vitacost.com/natures-plus-u ... 80-tablets
but it's a divided dose product ie you are meant to take three spread through the day to get one serving.
since you're only taking one, you're getting a third of the intended amounts.
consider taking more than one of these daily.

i use a three a day divided dose multi too, just not the same as yours.
take control of your own health
pursue optimal self care at least as actively as a diagnosis
ask for referrals to preventive health care specialists eg dietitians
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Post by labilios » 4 days ago

jimmylegs wrote:
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great news that you added more magnesium than the bit in the multi. can you share a link to the product label?

good to hear re testing. as for the results, recall that the reference ranges can vary lab to lab, can be very broad, and depending what range your lab actually uses, you are likely to be much better off with a result right at the top of the range.

your multi is good, assuming this is correct:
https://www.vitacost.com/natures-plus-u ... 80-tablets
but it's a divided dose product ie you are meant to take three spread through the day to get one serving.
since you're only taking one, you're getting a third of the intended amounts.
consider taking more than one of these daily.

i use a three a day divided dose multi too, just not the same as yours.
1)https://www.iherb.com/pr/Doctor-s-Best- ... Tablets/15
i take one per day
2)https://www.iherb.com/pr/Nature-s-Plus- ... blets/7626 i take one per day

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Post by jimmylegs » 4 days ago

thx for the links. the first 2 pills per 200mg serving one looks familiar, re the second single-pill 250mg one i can't comment. i'm just not a big fan of proprietary blends.
so total intake from one of each would be 100+250=350mg
adding the multi, if you take all 3 of 3 needed per serving, that gets you up to 450mg of mag per day.
that should be fine as long as they are spread out, and only one of them goes in at the same time as any vitamin d3 supplement product.

side fyi - some authors suggest higher amounts may be needed based on body size and any lifestyle-based magnesium depletion factors in the mix (eg, 7-10mg/kg body weight/d). my friend is having this problem at the moment; extra large body size, a tendency to lower-than-ideal mag intakes from supplements and healthy food/fluid sources, lots of physical and emotional stress, AND supplemental d3 in the picture. last results came back outright deficient, and that's pretty bad when serum magnesium is the test involved.
take control of your own health
pursue optimal self care at least as actively as a diagnosis
ask for referrals to preventive health care specialists eg dietitians
don't let suboptimal self care muddy any underlying diagnostic picture!

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