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hair (and eye) (and nail) changes

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:30 am
by jimmylegs
so i remember noticing changes in the appearance of my irises, and that my hair colour changed when i first made the switch from vegan to omni 13 yrs ago.

today i noticed something else - i have been greying at one temple (more like a white patch) since my late 20s but in recent years there's been more, and the other temple got involved as well.

today though, i found a hair that is white and wiry at the tip for about 75 mm/3'' back. then there's a stark change to flexible 'my colour' hair, all the way (ie 99 mm/3.5'') to the root.

wikipedia informs me that hair growth rates average 12.5 mm/0.5'' per mo. and what was i specifically doing 7 months ago, in addition to all the other groundwork i'd been doing over the past year?

i was working on getting vit d3 back up over 100 nmol/l. in two week-long sessions.
the july 2018 session got me to 90, and coincides with the hair change *if* my growth rate is average.
the second round with d3 got me to 166, but that wasn't until november, so not connected unless my hair grows REALLY really fast.

now to go see if there are studies which show correlation between greying and serum d3 levels haha (later... back to work for now!)

edit: couldn't resist.
43. Bhat RM, Sharma R, Pinto AC, Dandekeri S, Martis J. Epidemiological and investigative study of premature graying of hair in higher secondary and pre-university school children. Int J Trichology. 2013;5:17–21. [PMC free article] [PubMed]
d3 implicated, see table 2 (all cases <30 ng/ml aka <75nmol/l; i started last year at 20 ng/ml ie 50 nmol/l)
still loads of deficient/insufficient controls mind you. just not so many.

44. Chakrabarty S, Krishnappa PG, Gowda DG, Hiremath J. Factors associated with premature hair graying in a young Indian population. Int J Trichology. 2016;8:11–4. [PMC free article] [PubMed]
in this group, d3 not significant - iron and b12 more likely to be correlated

Re: hair (and eye) changes

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:29 am
by ElliotB
Biotin is supposed to help with hair and nails. I had minimal hair loss and some gray prior to stating Biotin and have not had any further loss or graying in about 4-5 years. Biotin is supposed to be good for our nails as well.

A supplement called Lutein is supposed to good for eye health, I have not had any changes in my eyes that I can notice and just started taking Lutein a few months ago. BUT I noticed big differences in my father's eyes with regards to his pupils over the many years he dealt with his MS. I often wondered if the changes were due to his MS.

Re: hair (and eye) changes

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:53 pm
by jimmylegs
i have definitely read that nutrition can be a factor in MPB as well as greying
how would you describe what happened to your dad's pupils?
other than a healthy and diverse diet, whatever extra i might be getting in my multis is it for lutein and biotin.
vit d3 was the only thing that got special attention last july
i'll be interested to see how things look in another year. maybe i should be taking a picture haha

Re: hair (and eye) changes

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:18 am
by ElliotB
"how would you describe what happened to your dad's pupils?"

Although he had no issues with his vision other than regular eyeglasses with a prescription that rarely changed through his adult life (no cataracts even at age 70) , his eyes looked as if the detail in them was 'out of focus', blurry with no virtually no detail/contrast to the patterns within them.

I just took a close look at my eyes and I don't seem to have that look...

Re: hair (and eye) changes

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:39 am
by jimmylegs
mine were pretty washed out colour wise, but i don't remember pattern detail other than the odd yellow spot here and there. i should have taken a closer look at them a year ago but i guess i was too busy getting past diplopia at the time :S !!

Re: hair (and eye) changes

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:31 am
by zen2010
When I was taking 300 mg Biotin per day , I used to go to the hairdresser two times per month!
However, I didn't notice anything regarding nails or eyes.

Re: hair (and eye) (and nail) changes

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:37 am
by jimmylegs
i'm guessing that's a lot of hair. next time i want to speed things up on a donation maybe i'll look into it ;)

ugh nails! my fingernails were pitted all over the whole time i was growing up.
when i started working on nutrition the pits grew out and cleared up, but if i backed off i would see a new pit start to work its way up a nail. then gradually all resolved. when i'm vigilant, everything is fine. haven't seen a pitted nail in years now :D
at their worst my nails were separated from the bed in a few places, hands and feet.

even now though if i back off on things self care wise, the nail bed can separate. last year it was just in one corner of a nail that had years earlier been injured, come off, and healed (fingernails remained fine). i had thought the new issue was just an after effect of that old injury, but it's better again after a year of nutritional diligence.

Re: hair (and eye) (and nail) changes

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:11 am
by 1eye
OK I have had unusually fast hair growth, including places I have never had it. Since starting biotin. Nail growth too. My friend who is my age who broke her neck at 23 and had car accidents since, says she has had terrible hair and nails for years. So I sent her a bottle of biotin. We'll see in a few weeks.

Hair colour is still good, very little grey.

Sorry about the irrelevance to MS, but I thought I might share with you some writing: overly emphasizes Trudeau, but hey I live in Ottawa:

Truth and Reconciliation, Stranger NonFiction

When I was young, like many white suburban kids, I watched The Lone Ranger and other
cowboy TV shows and movies. I lived in Windsor, Ontario, and so we watched everything Americans
watched on Detroit over-the-air television. I was under 10 and it was the first half of the nineteensixties.

Later in the decade my life became far more complicated. My dad liked Detroit folk-music radio
at night, and CBC radio during the days. One of the artists I was exposed to then was Buffy Saint Marie.
Later in her career she made hit records, but her early acoustic work was partly about the plight of the
people we knew only as “Indians”.


She sang My Country ‘Tis of Thy People You’re Dying, of the genocide basic to this country’s birth. I was
confused by that, and by her words: the history books censored. I was being taught history. What were
they leaving out? She wrote of what sounded to me like germ-warfare. Blankets for land from smallpox
disease dying soldiers
. I never did hear that history in school, either in high school or university courses,
though the murder-by-disease was widely practised.

You can find it on the Internet now. British General Amherst, for whom the town of
Amherstburg was named, left clear records of his exploits decimating aboriginal populations, right near
my home town, with “inoculations” of smallpox blankets. He was a man somewhat ahead of his time.

Wikipedia says “Excerpts: Amherst wrote on July 16, 1763, "P.S. You will Do well to try to
Inocculate the Indians by means of Blankets, as well as to try Every other method that can serve to
Extirpate this Execrable Race. I should be very glad your Scheme for Hunting them Down by Dogs could
take Effect..."

America and Germany only later turned to things like anthrax, but the British used smallpox on
aboriginals in Australia and elsewhere. It is clear that Inoculation was intended to kill.

A close call

Wikipedia is full of interesting stories about germ warfare: “During the final months of World
War II, Japan planned to utilize plague as a biological weapon against U.S. civilians in San Diego,
California, during Operation Cherry Blossoms at Night. They hoped that it would kill tens of thousands of
U.S. civilians and thereby dissuading America from attacking Japan. The plan was set to launch on
September 22, 1945, at night, but it never came into fruition due to Japan's surrender on August 15,

Slaves and Aboriginals

Kidnapped Africans were enslaved, and people native to North America were murdered in huge
numbers. The slaves eventually became “free” citizens. In Canada, racism thrived, and is still a large
problem. Some years later, aboriginal peoples were kidnapped, and re-educated, in an effort to subdue
them by “assimilation”. Assimilation did not include jobs, homes, or access to water or other resources.

More Apologies

Recently Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has added to the endless litany of political “apologies”
which have become trendy speech-making and photo-taking opportunities, delivered decades after the
crimes are done, and the perpetrators are dead,. Meanwhile, his government seeks what South Africans
have also asked for, in the wake of their “apartheid”. It is popularly termed “Truth and Reconciliation”.

Unfortunately South Africa, the US and Canada are not much closer to being free of racism than before,
because people who have practised it all their lives are still living. They are passing their poisonous
legacy to new generations. The human race will likely come to an end before racism does.


The purpose of biological warfare, “assimilation”, and other programs of governing, used by
(usually) white-skinned peoples, on the (usually) non-white governed, who have never been allowed full
citizenship in these “free” countries, has never changed: white races have sought land occupied by other

Close to where I live, in suburban Ottawa, Ontario, the capital of Canada, there has been large scale dynamiting, daily, in the last seven months (since August 2019) of woods and Canadian Shield land and watershed. These aboriginal territories were never ceded through treaty, war or surrender by the original inhabitants.

This land is the subject of a claim by the Algonquin people. See

The dynamiters don’t have to be in such a hurry, but they are. I do not wonder why.
Dynamiting permanently alters (mostly flattens) the landscape. It is a new flood plain.

It makes better PR, for Justin Trudeau to be making “apology” speeches in the far north, not in
Ottawa, these days.


Justin Trudeau says the prosecution of SNC-Lavalin will affect Quebec's jobs. The company is guilty of a crime and will be punished. Since it will not get any subsidies or contracts for a while, profitability will be affected. Moving from Quebec won't solve anything, nor will pretending nothing happened. Its actions were not just risky but criminal.

If laws cannot be used to punish those guilty of crimes, the laws are a joke. Companies' crimes are crimes against their customers and shareholders., too. Economic punishments hurt the economy. Shareholders were not guilty of any crime. Like many crimes, it has victims.

Justin Trudeau is just as much a victim as the others, whomever they vote for. Many suffer: workers, their families, investors; in Quebec, all over Canada, wherever in the world they happen to live.

That’s why I am tired of politicians and media pundits trying to make crimes into political hand-grenades, when they don't know where to throw them.

Re: hair (and eye) (and nail) changes

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:51 am
by jimmylegs
ok not sure exactly how i ended up back on this topic but first i saw this title and was intrigued

The Ultra-violet Rays. Their Action on Internal and Nervous Diseases and Use in Preventing Loss of Colour and Falling of the Hair (Lockhart, 1928)

and then i read the text (starts bottom right) and had a good laugh :D ... -0190d.pdf