hi again
more progress! a couple of thoughts:
She also kept saying everything wrong with me was to do with my alcohol consumption.
it would be great to have some
evidence of alcohol-induced nutrient depletion if applicable in your case, so that at very least in the best case scenario you could rule those out and get a better sense of what any other underlying issues might be. the magnesium result will be one informative piece of the puzzle.
She was very nice and tried to act like she cared and basically kept saying that if my mental status wasn't good that my physical status wouldn't be either.
the evidence seems to suggest that that one ^ goes both ways...ie physical condition and nutritional status can affect mental health and vice versa
I had my ultrasound (due to high ferritin serum on blood work a few weeks ago). It hasn't been read by the radiologist yet, but the person who did it has worked there for 20 years and said she didn't see anything wrong with any organs and my liver looked fine which was a relief.
sounds like good news, although i don't know much about any pros and cons of conventional liver testing. i think i posted some interesting related research earlier, but will need to review.
Jimmy, I thought about one thing today. I have a flexible spending account. It is dwindling down with all these new specialist appointments ($75 each time), but I think the FSA will pay for certain vitamins so I will check into seeing if I can get the magnesium you suggested. I also read that would be good if I have these 2 conditions.
that sounds like a good temporary option. hopefully even just
easing off on the higher calcium product could be beneficial without going to immediate extra expense.
reviewing some older posts:
hi again
i'm circling back around to your post of aug 22 here, re
I've only been taking the magnesium for about 2 1/2 weeks. Spring Valley brand: calcium, magnesium & zinc + vit d3 bone & muscle health. Serving size: 3 pills a day. Per serving: D3: 15 mcg, 600 iu. Calcium: 1000 mcg. magnesium: 400 mg. zinc: 15 mg.
i have already voiced some thoughts on that product in general, and i and wonder if you might
consider a break from it,
quick question -
have you discontinued, or are you still using
Spring Valley brand: calcium, magnesium & zinc + vit d3 bone & muscle health. Serving size: 3 pills a day. Per serving: D3: 15 mcg, 600 iu. Calcium: 1000 mcg. magnesium: 400 mg. zinc: 15 mg.
?
wouldn't be the first time someone was taking something they thought would help, which was instead contributing to health problems
Hi, Jimmy! I am still using the vitamins that I had.
to be more clear:
i hope you will consider taking a break from the high cal:mag ratio product until you have a chance to balance out the regimen a littleJimmy, I forgot to mention that when I went to the dr Monday, the ARNP told me that Labcorp forgot to take some bloodwork that was ordered and I asked if she could do magnesium. She said that was kind of weird, but she ordered it and I had it done today.
it's sad that for a person so quick to blame everything on alcohol, that she doesn't seem to recognize magnesium depletion as a potential consequence. although research on alcohol induced nutrient depletion in particular seems to suggest she may not be alone in the oversight:
A prospective evaluation of thiamine and magnesium status in relation to clinicopathological characteristics and 1-year mortality in patients with alcohol withdrawal syndrome (2019)
https://link.springer.com/article/10.11 ... 19-02141-w
"... Conclusion
The prevalence of low circulating thiamine concentrations were rare [jl edit: ie all the physicians knew to watch for thiamin depletion]and it was regularly prescribed in patients with AWS. In contrast,
low serum magnesium concentrations were common and not prescribed. Low serum magnesium was associated more severe AWS and increased 1-year mortality."I couldn't remember the other one you asked about (zinc) at the time, so maybe we can do that next time.
that would be fantastic, we can chat more about specifics when finances allow.
the importance of vitamin B1 aka thiamine noted above reminds me of an older nutritional regimen for ms which involves a wide array of vitamins and minerals, and places a strong emphasis on thiamine. i was malnourished/misnourished when diagnosed and that older regimen did me a LOT of good in a matter of days if not hours.
recalling some earlier input,
b50 complex (many of the b-vits are depleted by alcohol)
quality multi
magnesium glycinate (mag is vulnerable to depletion by d3 and by alcohol)
high DHA omega 3 (fish oil) could be expected to help out the lipid profile
zinc (will help bring ferritin in line and is also depleted via alcohol use -not to mention smoking)
i recall the ms protocol involving more like 100 mg of thiamin 3 to 4 times per day. to edge in that direction, one of many products out there like this one could be a good start, when finances allow.
https://newrootsherbal.com/product/id/0892
for contrast, note the thiamine regimen recommended in this alcohol-specific ICU scenario:
Unpeeling the Evidence for the Banana Bag: Evidence-Based Recommendations for the Management of Alcohol-Associated Vitamin and Electrolyte Deficiencies in the ICU (2016)
https://journals.lww.com/ccmjournal/Abs ... g_.14.aspx
"...Based on the published literature, for patients with a chronic alcohol use disorder admitted to the ICU with symptoms that may mimic or mask Wernicke’s encephalopathy, we suggest abandoning the banana bag and utilizing the following formula for routine supplementation during the first day of admission:
200–500 mg IV thiamine every 8 hours, 64 mg/kg magnesium sulfate (approximately 4–5 g for most adult patients), and 400–1,000 μg IV folate. If alcoholic ketoacidosis is suspected, dextrose-containing fluids are recommended over normal saline."
wow! anyway, that's enough for now. hope there's some news you can use. next time i'll get into the bits and pieces i know about the consequences of loading just one element of a vitamin complex long term.
back later, hope you have an okay day!