Optic Neuritis and possible cause for MS

[want2bike]

When I was detoxifying my body I used 3 grams of vitamin C a day. In order to get the vitamin C in my body better I use a Liposomal solution. If you are serious about detoxifying the body you should consider colonic therapy.

http://www.pdazzler.com/archives/1005

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liposome

http://vitamin-c.wellwise.org/

http://www.detoxwithcolonics.com/liver_flush

http://www.justcleansing.com/colonics.htm

http://www.healingdaily.com/liver-detoxification.htm

[jimmylegs]

when i was on the klenner protocol i think it was 10-20 g/d. lots!

[Celeste485]

I am going to wait with the high dose of vitamin C until little later just in case. We just started the blocking of unwanted iron and I don’t want to screw it up. But I believe there is a lot of truth in this.
Vitamin C plays important role in lowering and absorption of iron. When we eat meat (heme iron) and vegetables (non heme iron) there is no need to add vitamin c because the vitamin c is in all vegetables so the iron should be absorbed without problem. Heme iron also helps with non heme iron absorption so we won’t be wasting time on this subject.
We are going to analyze more of vitamin c role in non heme iron from grains and cereals. Because this is the iron that is being absorbed 3 times more if you add vitamin C to the meal. Cereal that has 90% of iron in it but also has 10% vitamin C. So the Ferrous Fumarate aka. Mr. Nasty with guaranteed rate of absorption of 30% is actually in this single combination deadly. Because 30% (guaranteed absorption rate of Mr. Nasty) times 3 (the increased absorption rate of non heme iron with vitamin C) equals 90% of our daily intake of iron just from eating cereals. Same goes for breads and other grains if we mixed them with vitamin c.
So, from the example above we cannot consume any vitamin c with breads, pastas, rice including whole grains. This is precisely what causes the iron overload. We can only eat meats and vegetables and the vitamin c in vegetables is enough to carry on the daily work.
How to remove the excess iron? With vitamin C again. Just like I am doing now and in the near future introducing even more of vitamin c to remove the iron. Why? Because just like vitamin c helps with absorption of iron we need a lot of vitamin c to remove the excess. After eating the cereal we are absorbing a lot of iron but we don’t have enough vitamin c in our system to immediately remove the excess, so it builds up in the cells causing problems.
If we add orange juice to cereal or toast we are a toast as far as absorbing iron but maybe the high amount of vitamin c helps remove some of it as well. Maybe just one cup of orange juice is not enough to do the work. So, lets make adjustments in our diets because it will help us in a long run. No vitamin C with any grain products, instead we take calcium and coffee or tea to block any absorption. We take higher dose of vitamin C early in the morning to remove any excess from the day before. Eventually, we’ll get some balance.
I’ve read somewhere that we may have 20g of excess iron in our bodies in iron overload cases, our daily need is anywhere from 8 to 15 g/day and we are losing iron 1g daily through sweating, urinating and poop. So if we starve the body of iron, remove some extra through chelation with vitamin c, we should be feeling better much sooner rather than later. All we have to do is to definitely establish how much iron we need individually and go from there. And that’s it.
All we have to do now is to calculate how much calcium we have to swallow with our turkey dinner and stuffing.

[want2bike]

You are making it too complicated. You do not know how much vitamin C, iron are anything else your body needs. Your body knows. If you are serious about getting your health back start juicing. Run all these vitamins and minerals through your body and your body will be smart enough to pick out what it needs in order to detoxify. The real vitamins and minerals are found in the fruits and vegetables. You do not have to worry about overdosing on juice. Dr. Gerson explains it in his juicing program for healing all chronic disease. Stop eating the process foods because they are full of chemicals and your body does not need chemicals. That is what your body has to get rid of. If you want to take the supplement understand there are things in these supplements which are not good for the body. I take Nutrigold supplements when I take supplements. They do not use GMO oils, magnesium stearate, or gluten. Make sure you check out everything that is in the supplements you take. Chemicals in the supplements are not good for your body.

http://www.healingdaily.com/conditions/ ... herapy.htm

http://www.healingdaily.com/juicing-for-health.htm

http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxification-diet.htm

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/magnesiu ... fects.html

http://nutrigold.com/

[jimmylegs]

i would like to encourage you again to back up your assertions with some published science, celeste... or at least a link to some source, somewhere, so that readers can evaluate what you are saying

[want2bike]

If you are looking for something published by the FDA(Fraud and Deception Agency) you will not find it. Their job is to keep you sick with the information they publish. That is how they keep our economy strong by keeping the population sick and dependent on the drug industry. If you want the ultimate reason for juicing go to your Bible. In Genesis the Lord told Adam and Eve to eat the fruits and vegetables. That was his instruction to us if we want good health. Our bodies were design to get our health from eating these foods. Are the fruits and vegetables the same now as back then? No there is a lot of GMO garbage and pesticides and herbicides being dump on our food. It is important to choose wisely and wash them before eating.

Do you really believe that everyone should have blood pressure 120/70, cholesterol 150 or any other marker they give you. We are all different and need different amounts of blood pressure or cholesterol. Your body is smart enough to figure it out if you give your body what it needs. It does not need GMO food, chemicals in the process food, or drugs. These are poisons which make us sick. The FDA has many studies showing that GMO food is good for you, Fluorine is an essential nutrient, drugs are good for treating chronic disease. Do you really believe this garbage? If you choose to believe FDA information instead of what you find in the Bible you will never get better. Your body is smart enough to figure it out if you provide the essential nutrients. Fruits and vegetables is where everyone should start if they want their health back. I give you the best reference I can find, the Bible.

[jimmylegs]

i'm looking for celeste to back up what she is saying, w2b.. with something. whatever it turns out to be, i'm perfectly capable of assessing the merit of a publication for myself, thanks. ... but only if I have an opportunity to see it and judge for myself. which is what I think all readers here deserve and expect.

as for the bible.. yep everything with seeds, and everything that lives and moves. genesis 9:3

[Celeste485]

I go through many websites, I put everything together based on what I’ve read, I cannot put all the links here. It would be too much. Besides if someone wants to find the information, it’s all on the internet.
Here are some:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22713799
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20510668
http://www.aamds.org/node/82
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2507689

I would like to make a correction to my last post. I used grams in everything it should be in mg and g.
"we may have 20g of excess iron in our bodies in iron overload cases, our daily need is anywhere from 8 to 15 mg/day and we are losing iron 1mg daily"
Important information, Vitamin C removes all minerals not just iron, so you should supplement with the other minerals. No matter what are you doing, you still need other vitamins and minerals so you don’t get sick. Make sure you eat enough vegetables and meat to keep you going but you have to have iron absorption deficit or it won’t work. Remember my daughter’s anemia? When she was in the hospital the CBC test came normal, she had it done again recently at the ER after she was consuming chicken liver. This is how I know the anemia is there to get rid of the excess floating iron. This is natural body defense.
http://www.townsendletter.com/May2009/chelation0509.htm
This is my second day with 1000mg of vitamin C as a chelator and I am doing great. The itch is completely gone and I still had enough energy to clean the house, I’ve lost 5 pounds without even trying. The only thing I am doing differently right now is I am not snacking between meals unless it’s chicken and I don’t overeat because I don’t feel hungry.
Want2bike , I can’t blame my parents for not teaching me things they didn’t know, I don’t blame myself for the same. We learn as we grow, we grow as we learn. I'll let you know how am I doing after trying higher dose of vit. C. The last thing I need now is diarrhea.

[jimmylegs]

some references are better than none. even better if you can tease out and quote the most relevant sentences or phrases from the articles provided. this is a good start, thanks celeste

[want2bike]

Most of the references you list are from government sites. I would be careful believing what the government tell you. They are not interested in good health. When good doctors try to cure disease and give us good health they put them in jail and burn their books. We all must take the blame for our health because we are responsible for what we put in our bodies. That is why it is important that we get all the information and evaluate it for what makes sense. The main thing to do is listen to your body. It will not lie.

[Vivianne766]

Celeste485,
Thanks for all the info. u put here and u too Jimmylegs.
Celest, I see too many inconsistencies in your posts.
Vit C is bad with non-heme iron....
drink oj with cereal.....
calcium is bad for heme-iron.....
have cheese with turkey dinner... !!!
Anyway, I'm trying to make sense out of this.
I am very low on Iron. For years I did not take Iron supplements until 3 months ago.
and now I read all this. So.... just tell me guys, how can I check my zinc levels? Shall i just go ahead and take zinc? What kind of vit c do u take Celeste ? I would appreciate a daily program of general what to do what not to does?
I am so confused !!!!

[Celeste485]

I agree, the research is one sided and limited. For example they added vitamin C to a chelator, there was no research on vitamin c alone so we can't really say if the vitamin c alone is effective enough on it's own and that's why an individual will have to build up the case using just common sense.
For example, "The most widely used iron chelator, desferrioxamine, removes somewhere between 30 and 70 mg of iron per day" so if vitamin C helps remove extra 20% so let's take average of 50mg removed by a chelator + 20% extra using vitamin c, that gives us 20mg extra iron removed only because of vitamin c being added during chelation.
I am deciding now by myself that the vitamin c I take will remove at least 5mg with my 1000mg of vitamin C therapy or 15mg if I take 3000 units of vitamin C. Maybe it will remove less, maybe more but it will remove something. Vitamin C works by knocking the iron out of cells so without something that binds to the iron, the kidneys will remove only some of it. How much, depends on how much I am drinking, maybe eating etc... This is not a scientific find but I am sure some extra iron will be removed while I am sitting now on my couch and waiting for a more efficient way to remove more iron.
When I read about this stuff I am reading on my laptop or Ipad or Iphone, laptop is okay but the other two are not good for taking notes, flipping pages and comparing things, so this is how I operate, I put it all together in my head and voila.
And if I am doing it then I believe in it. And that's why you should be doing it too. Even if you remove only extra 1mg of floating iron, it's still worth it, it adds up.

[Vivianne766]

So even though my hemogolobin ( I kant spel ) levels are low and my iron is low ( about 5) I should assume that Iron overload could be a possibility. Do u have any diet programs I can follow. I love black coffee. I only eat goat cheese once ev. 2 weeks. very low on gluten as well. I don't know when to eat what and what to eat with what....!

oh boy.
I liked how careful u planned ur daughter's daily diet.
I have been following paleo diet for a while now. sometimes when I eat alot of veggies ( kale- cabbage- zucchini- carrots- ...) together with meat I feel REALLY REALLY BAD.
Like i have 0 energy and I feel I'm about to die.
I don't understand what is it I should do.

[jimmylegs]

hi vivianne, my post (see key ms nutrients link below) has detailed information on nutrient tests and targets, and general dietary info. there are links to a number of helpful resources. I can answer questions and give feedback on test results that you would not be likely to hear from the lab or the regular docs. I am currently working on formally documenting my research on optimizing nutrition for health, in the context of a master's degree.

[Vivianne766]

Rock on Jimmylegs.
Tnx