Zinc/copper balance

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Zinc/copper balance

Post by brm » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:15 am

Hi everyone,

I was taking a zinc supplement for some time until I noticed that my copper levels were getting on the low side. The zinc supplement was 15mg zinc picolinate daily, and I started adding 2mg copper picolinate daily, which I thought was the recommended amount for the 15mg zinc.

After I started doing this, my copper went up a little again (from 75 mcg/dL to somewhere in the 80's), but unfortunately my zinc levels also dropped considerably (from around 120 mcg/dL to 85 mcg/dL).

Does anyone have any thoughts about this? Is the 15/2 ratio not the right one? Are there strategies to assure that both copper and zinc are absorbed well?

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brm

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Re: Zinc/copper balance

Post by jimmylegs » Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:38 am

it's 50:2 that should work much better. great work getting the zinc to 120!
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Re: Zinc/copper balance

Post by brm » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:04 am

Thanks for the quick response!

Is the 50/2 ratio just the ratio, or would you suggest taking 50mg zinc and 2mg copper daily?

Do you have advice regarding the timing? Should the zinc and copper be taken together or apart (e.g. zinc in the morning and copper in the evening)?

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Re: Zinc/copper balance

Post by jimmylegs » Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:03 am

hi, you were taking 15 and 2, it should be 50 and 2. matches distribution in food better.
the serum ratio for zinc copper should be 1.1 (1.1:1)

zinc is naturally highest in the am, but do take with food. copper at the same time should be fine.

do you have good zinc- and copper-rich foods in your diet? for a foundation?
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Re: Zinc/copper balance

Post by NHE » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:54 pm

brm wrote:Is the 50/2 ratio just the ratio, or would you suggest taking 50mg zinc and 2mg copper daily?
I'm pretty sure that JL meant mg and not a ratio.

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Post by jimmylegs » Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:25 am

brm wrote:The zinc supplement was 15mg zinc picolinate daily, and I started adding 2mg copper picolinate daily, ... Is the 15/2 ratio not the right one?
jimmylegs wrote:it's 50:2 that should work much better.
brm wrote:Is the 50/2 ratio just the ratio, or would you suggest taking 50mg zinc and 2mg copper daily?
jimmylegs wrote:hi, you were taking 15 and 2, it should be 50 and 2. matches distribution in food better. the serum ratio for zinc copper should be 1.1 (1.1:1)
there's an optimal ratio for balancing intake, and another ratio altogether for serum.. 15mg supplemental zinc is not enough to balance 2mg supplemental copper.
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Re: Zinc/copper balance

Post by jimmylegs » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:59 am

look at this.

http://www.aor.ca/products-page/antioxi ... r-balance/
15 to 2! i had forgotten about this (because it's off..)
i have a huge crush on this company but some of their stuff makes NO SENSE to me :S
would be nice to know how and why they decided on these amounts.
and also would be interesting to see bloodwork on whoever takes this for a long time.

luckily there are plenty of products using 50 and 2!!
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Re: Zinc/copper balance

Post by THX1138 » Wed May 16, 2018 11:58 am

Mid 2017 my Zn & Cu labs were:

Zinc ----- 75 ug/dL_____60 - 120 ug/dL

Copper
--- 96 ug/dL______70 - 140 ug/dL

Could this be causing my Mg resistance :?:

What other problems might this be causing :?:

Or, no problem :?:

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Re: Zinc/copper balance

Post by jimmylegs » Wed May 16, 2018 4:38 pm

on the serum copper zinc ratio
http://www.thisisms.com/forum/natural-a ... ml#p245869
(spoiler: yours is a problem - and so is mine pls join me in getting zinc levels out of the toilet asap)

related
Inhalational Alzheimer's disease: an unrecognized—and treatable—epidemic
http://www.thisisms.com/forum/natural-a ... ml#p245062
(spoiler: ridiculous)

as for recalcitrant low mag, you may have already been over all of this
http://www.mgwater.com/inmgdef.shtml

zinc and copper do make anecdotal appearances
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Re: Zinc/copper balance

Post by jimmylegs » Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:34 pm

interesting/crazy, these results buck some of the trends.

Evaluation of Serum Magnesium, Iron, Copper and Zinc Levels in Ischemic and Hemorrhagic Stroke Patients and Healthy Controls
http://jcbr.goums.ac.ir/article-1-120-en.pdf

yes copper is higher in patients than controls, but so is zinc. and those copper zinc ratios are nuts. bad in patients and *worse* in controls. magnesium in patients is bad, but among controls it's better in males and worse in females. those are the weirdnesses that stand out at first glance. i had to check full text of the results section to see if something was backwards. as far as i can tell though, no. so strange!

i don't know what i think of the discussion, the explanation of these results in relation to other studies. don't have time for further digging, for one thing since it's about stroke and not ms, and for another because i am supposed to be working on something else!!!
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Re: Zinc/copper balance

Post by THX1138 » Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:57 pm

and for another because i am supposed to be working on something else!!!
Your book , maybe ?

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Re: Zinc/copper balance

Post by THX1138 » Sat Aug 10, 2019 12:53 pm

What zinc/copper supplement would you recommend ?

Thanks

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Re: Zinc/copper balance

Post by THX1138 » Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:42 pm

Jimmylegs, (I am asking you).
THX1138 wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 12:53 pm
What zinc/copper supplement would you recommend ?

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Re: Zinc/copper balance

Post by jimmylegs » Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:05 am

too many factors to consider. no easy favourites come to mind.
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Re: Zinc/copper balance

Post by THX1138 » Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:21 pm

JL, what do you think about the Now Optizinc ?

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