Natural "Statin" Superior to Pharmaceutical Statins

Discussion of statins (Lipitor, Zocor, etc.) in the treatment of MS.
Post Reply
THX1138
Family Elder
Posts: 712
Joined: Tue May 14, 2013 2:00 pm

Natural "Statin" Superior to Pharmaceutical Statins

Post by THX1138 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:49 pm

http://books.google.com/books?id=BuW6xw ... um&f=false

Scroll down to Table 5.2 - Very Interesting

Oceanfloats
Newbie
Posts: 7
Joined: Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:39 am

Re: Natural "Statin" Superior to Pharmaceutical Statins

Post by Oceanfloats » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:27 am

I am finding all this information on magnesium quite interesting. I am not sure what led me to do it, but I began taking Slo-Mag for headaches and general malaise several years ago. Now I try to take it regularly, but when I run out I sometimes forget to buy it for awhile- until that is, I begin feeling crappy and headache-y again, which reminds me.

To learn it could be a better choice to help lower cholesterol is good to hear, especially in that it kind of gives the body what it needs instead of blindly forcing all the cholesterol out, which I understand not to be ideal in the long run. But I wonder what role magnesium might have to play in MS?

THX1138
Family Elder
Posts: 712
Joined: Tue May 14, 2013 2:00 pm

Re: Natural "Statin" Superior to Pharmaceutical Statins

Post by THX1138 » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:57 pm

Magnesium relaxes muscles (both skeletal and smooth).
Magnesium is necessary for energy.
Magnesium reduces anxiety.
Many MS symptoms are also magnesium deficiency symptoms.
Magnesium is an essential nutrient.
Most people do not get enough magnesium.

I could go on and on, but here is link:

http://www.murfreesboropost.com/dr-kest ... -cms-14810

There is also a lot of magnesium info on thisisms.com and on the web and in books.
Magnesium is an extremely well researched nutrient.

THX1138

Oceanfloats
Newbie
Posts: 7
Joined: Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:39 am

Re: Natural "Statin" Superior to Pharmaceutical Statins

Post by Oceanfloats » Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:17 am

Thanks for the reply and the link, THX1138. <---- Will never forget that film, btw.
I'll look into magnesium more.

User avatar
jimmylegs
Volunteer Moderator
Posts: 11994
Joined: Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:00 pm

Re: Natural "Statin" Superior to Pharmaceutical Statins

Post by jimmylegs » Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:32 pm

hey OF not sure if you saw that post I sent you on another topic, re the fact that slo mag contains about twice as much calcium as magnesium... ms patients often have okay calcium status but noticeably lower magnesium levels. the calcium in the slo mag will actually work against the results you want from the mag.. hence 'slo' I guess. might be a good idea to find a nice soluble organic absorbable form of magnesium supplement like magnesium glycinate..
take control of your own health
pursue optimal self care at least as actively as a diagnosis
ask for referrals to preventive health care specialists eg dietitians
don't let suboptimal self care muddy any underlying diagnostic picture!

THX1138
Family Elder
Posts: 712
Joined: Tue May 14, 2013 2:00 pm

Re: Natural "Statin" Superior to Pharmaceutical Statins

Post by THX1138 » Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:16 pm

The 2-to-1 calcium-to-magnesium ratio (2:1) was
first suggested by the French magnesium researcher
Jean Durlach5 as a high limit not to be exceeded, when
he warned against excessive calcium relative to magnesium
intakes; that is, one’s calcium intake from all
sources including food, water and supplements should
not exceed one’s total magnesium intake by more than
2 parts calcium to 1 part magnesium on a weight basis.

http://www.magnesiumeducation.com/files ... 3-1-12.pdf

http://www.wellnesstimes.com/articles/u ... sium-ratio


THX1138

Oceanfloats
Newbie
Posts: 7
Joined: Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:39 am

Re: Natural "Statin" Superior to Pharmaceutical Statins

Post by Oceanfloats » Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:36 am

Hmmmm... that's interesting about the calcium, but I've had really good results from Slo-Mag in the past, so maybe for some reason, it works for me. But I will definitely look into it further. Thanks!

User avatar
jimmylegs
Volunteer Moderator
Posts: 11994
Joined: Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:00 pm

Re: Natural "Statin" Superior to Pharmaceutical Statins

Post by jimmylegs » Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:17 am

no worries, but if you find yourself any problems that line up with known magnesium deficiency symptoms - such as pain or muscle tightness/spasm to name just a couple - that's when it might be time to find a different product.
take control of your own health
pursue optimal self care at least as actively as a diagnosis
ask for referrals to preventive health care specialists eg dietitians
don't let suboptimal self care muddy any underlying diagnostic picture!

THX1138
Family Elder
Posts: 712
Joined: Tue May 14, 2013 2:00 pm

Re: Natural "Statin" Superior to Pharmaceutical Statins

Post by THX1138 » Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:42 pm

NHE's topic entitled "Read this before taking statins for MS" http://www.thisisms.com/forum/statins-f ... 21890.html might lead one to look for statin alternatives.

Magnesium appears to be a vastly superior alternative:
http://books.google.com/books?id=BuW6xw ... um&f=false (same as opening post link)

Scroll down to Table 5.2


THX1138

User avatar
CureOrBust
Family Elder
Posts: 3361
Joined: Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:00 pm
Location: Sydney, Australia

Re: Natural "Statin" Superior to Pharmaceutical Statins

Post by CureOrBust » Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:55 am

I am on Statins (Lipitor), but i do NOT take it for the normal "Statin effects" on cholesterol. The research I remember reading found that it actually reduced the BBB permeability. ie an MS specific issue.

If you want cholesterol improvement (I don't think it lowers bad cholesterol but increases good cholesterol), then look into B3.

http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-and-suppl ... ide-niacin
As a cholesterol treatment, niacin has strong evidence. Several studies have shown that it can boost levels of good HDL cholesterol and lower triglycerides as well or better than some prescription drugs. Niacin also modestly lowers bad LDL cholesterol. It's often prescribed in combination with statins for cholesterol control, such as Crestor, Lescol, or Lipitor.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/niacin/CL00036

Don't confuse the use of statins in MS with cholesterol control, you may be selling it short. They do have side effects concern, but so do other MS medications.

THX1138
Family Elder
Posts: 712
Joined: Tue May 14, 2013 2:00 pm

Re: Natural "Statin" Superior to Pharmaceutical Statins

Post by THX1138 » Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:57 am

Thanks CureOrBust. I was unaware of the BBB factor. Both Magnesium and Niacin are certainly very helpful for cholesterol management.

THX1138

Post Reply
  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post