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Bladder issues?

Post by NiftyBunny » Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:41 am

Hi all,
I'm a little concerned. I have never had bladder issues (except when I was pregnant of course). But last night, while I was sleeping, I peed the bed. I'm 23, how embarrassing. The really concerning thing is when I realised it and stood up to change, it was still coming out, there was nothing I could do to stop it. Has anyone else had this happen? Is this an MS thing? I have heard of other people having some bladder issues with MS, is this what happens? Thanks (and sorry if this is a gross question :/)

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Post by lyndacarol » Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:11 am

Niftybunny – If you do a search on ThisIsMS, you will find bladder issues have been discussed here MANY times. This is a common problem, often in the form of incontinence or frequency, but I'm sure your experience is not unusual. If this happens repeatedly, it is a good topic of discussion with your doctor, although I do not believe he can FIX it. It is generally considered to happen when the detrusor muscle around the bladder (which contracts to push out urine) fails to coordinate with the sphincter muscle (which contracts to hold urine in) – one contracts while the other relaxes when your body wants either to release urine or hold it in.

In my personal opinion, this muscle problem results from excess insulin which is known to stiffen and thicken smooth muscles. The detrusor muscles and sphincter muscles ARE smooth muscles.

By the way, there are no gross questions for this group. We try to discuss ALL topics with sensitivity, you phrased the situation very well, very delicately.

Perhaps intermittent catheterization before bedtime would be one appropriate action. I'm sure other people here will have more ideas.
My hypothesis: excess insulin (hyperinsulinemia) plays a major role in MS, as developed in my initial post: http://www.thisisms.com/forum/general-discussion-f1/topic1878.html "Insulin – Could This Be the Key?"

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Post by oreo » Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:36 pm

Get thee to a urologist or as soon as you can.
When I started having serious bladder problems (narry a drop coming out) everyone was only too happy to blame it on the MS, urologist included. But he did order all the standard tests. Cystoscopy, flow dynamics, prostate ultrasound & biopsy. That last one was a game changer. Ultrasound said: prostate enlarge to 4 times normal size. My problem had nothing to do with MS. But then my neuro had already told me this. His reasoning - no other concurrent MS issues - the bladder rarely acts up without company in MS he said.
Now I realize that as a girl, you don't have a prostate to screw up your plumbing BUT you did mention a pregnancy and that can do it too.
These problems often have a fairly simple fix. No need to live with an embarrassing situation if a uro can do something about it.
And nothing is too gross - we all got to stick together with these problems.
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Post by NiftyBunny » Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:07 pm

Thank you both for your support... I have a family doctor appointment on Tuesday for a previous issue, I think I'll bring up my little incident while I'm there. Never hurts to ask. My Mom informs me that this is normal and could just be that my body had not woken up before I got out of bed thus causing the loss of control. I am not sure wether I believe that or not. Thank you for the advice and support, I appreciate it! (Oh and pregnancy is definitely NOT the issue... my husband got a vasectomy shortly after we found out about my MS)
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Post by jimmylegs » Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:00 pm

how did the appointment go?
take control of your own health
pursue optimal self care at least as actively as a diagnosis
ask for referrals to preventive health care specialists eg dietitians
don't let suboptimal self care muddy any underlying diagnostic picture!

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Post by NiftyBunny » Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:29 am

It went well... or as well as can be inspected. It turns out I have a bladder infection (I don't feel the pain from them anymore due to the MS numbing the nerves that make it burn/hurt) but he's not sure wether a bladder infection would cause such extreme loss of control. So basically the plan is, do the antibiotics, get rid of the infection, and if it happens again, see my neurologist. So we shall see. Sorry I didn't update tuesday or yesterday, have been very busy potty training my daughter along with everything else :).

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Post by jimmylegs » Thu Sep 27, 2012 3:16 pm

okay well at least information is good to have! re the infection and abx - will you also take probiotics too, to restore the beneficial gut flora? also re susceptibility to infection - have you had any bloodwork done re serum zinc status?
take control of your own health
pursue optimal self care at least as actively as a diagnosis
ask for referrals to preventive health care specialists eg dietitians
don't let suboptimal self care muddy any underlying diagnostic picture!

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Re: Bladder issues?

Post by miri » Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:53 pm

I've been down that road myself, but much worse (long story). The BEST (Least Irritating) cure is not cranberry (nor raspberyLeaf), but rather, Natural Cherry stuff, such as Bing-Cherry-Concentrate, decaf-cherry-berry tea, etc.

ALSO:
What the doctors are failing to inform people is that a major trigger of various dormant infections/flu/sores is Electrocriminallergy from Bright Lights (such as in stores)... and from Computer EMFs which are prematurely aging people without their knowing! Large bright screens are bad, as are high GHz processors. Lately, they're coming out with Pixel-Qi (Epaper-mode)and also Fit-PC2. Or else use smaller, low-watt netbooks such as eee-pc, HP-mini etc.

Also, minimize processed food, nuts, grapes, salts, sodium-nitrites, Dark-Chalkylate & extreme citrus, spices & raw onion/garlic.
Balance all those Arginine foods with Lysine foods & sweeteners such as xylitol, turbinado, raw-honey, eggs, yogurts, yams, cherries, beets, veggies, sweet melons.
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Re: Bladder issues?

Post by TeresaL » Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:10 pm

D mannose powder helps prevent UTIs better than cranberries pills or juice

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Re: Bladder issues?

Post by miri » Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:20 pm

TeresaL wrote:D mannose powder helps prevent UTIs better than cranberries pills or juice
All D-mannose did for me was cause me bad headaches - ditto re: cranberry juice.

On the other hand, black-cherry concentrate was wonderful for UTI, albeit without side effects.
(the more viscuous & sweeter, the better. These days, black-cherry is so sour, as to nearly resemble cranberries.
So it needs to be genuine STICKY black-cherry, not the many junk-cherry juices out there.

That's the only way it won't irritate - if you're prone to headaches.
Reachable via PM. Seems I have Higbee's HSII on ThisIsMS. Frustrated by MSers, FMers, Lymers & Prematurely-Aged-By-EMFers who prefer cryptic jargonian Systems Vs. Intuitive empirical experience. Don't simple truths count for anything anymore?

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