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Post by ikulo » Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:50 am

Has anyone tried one of those heavy metal cleanses available at stores?

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Post by Bethr » Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:50 am

shye wrote:In NY State, you can donate blood if you have Ms if no flare within past month (might actually be less than a month)--don't know how much each State differs in this.
Most countries haven't caught up with States yet.
In NZ if you have any autoimmune disease you can't donate.
Here's hoping it is decided MS is NOT an autoimmune disease, if certainly looks likely.

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Post by L » Sat Mar 27, 2010 6:37 pm

I thought that I'd post this here as well as in a thread in the CCSVI forum entitled 'getting rid of the rust.' Some people only seem to use one forum or another after all.. This is what I wrote:

I really went for it with iron chelation.

I started off by drinking a cup of green tea daily.

A month later and I started taking 'butcher's broom'. After a week I began to get the occasional palpitation. I have been prone to them for years and, ten years ago, cardiologists believed that it was potentially life threatening. I knew that caffeine and alcohol brought them on, the palpitations, so I cut out coffee, tea, beer and wine completely.

About the same time that as I began the butcher's broom I started drinking decaffeinated coffee (after ten years, my favourite drink tasted amazing!). And about a year ago I had started to drink the odd wine or beer now and again. Decaffeinated coffee still contains a little caffeine. This is what I put the palpitations following the Butcher's Broom down to.

Sorry this is such a long story :)

A week later I took a 'milk thistle' pill. Just forty minutes after I took it I got really bad tachycardia, a pulse of 220 I'd say, and I really should have called an ambulance because I felt dreadful and my girlfriend was really scared, but I'm too stubborn and I expected it to pass, which it did after an hour of lying on my bed and groaning. I put that down to a bad batch of milk thistle and/or the caffeine.

I cut out the butcher's broom, coffee and milk thistle and a few days later I tried an IP6 tablet in the morning. That evening I had another episode of tachycardia.

I drew a few conclusions.

I am middy anaemic (I am a vegetarian, after all.) I have a mild underlying cardiomyopathy worsened by anaemia resulting in palpitations and tachycardia. I have been told by a doctor that this is quite possible.

I discovered that alcohol in moderation chelates iron (although very large amounts deposit iron in the brain, and so does caffeine (studies show that a coffee drinker with MS had a slightly more favourable disease progression - interesting huh?) So perhaps, after ten years, I know why caffeine (which speeds a heart anyway) and alcohol cause me my problems.

I'd say that, in order of effectiveness, we have Milk Thistle as the best chelator of iron, then IP6, then the others except butcher's broom and lastly the daily cup of green tea (although I've no idea how six cups daily stand!)

Right now I can't find anything confirming for sure whether or not Butcher's Broom and Milk Thistle will cross the Blood Brain Barrier. IP6 (phytic acid), alcohol, caffeine and Green Tea cross it for sure.

I wouldn't be too surprised about my not checking whether or not Milk Thistle or Butcher's Broom cross the BBB before I started taking it (I've always been absent minded). If it does then I'd say that perhaps Milk Thistle is the most effective for our purposes. If not I'd say it was IP6. Then caffeine and then a moderate amount of alcohol.

Anyway, suffice to say that I am now trying to increase my intake of iron :( Pistachios, despite the saturated fat content, are very popular with me now, broccoli and lentils.. Incidentally, with all the pistachios, I now seem to be able to drink to my heart's content (literally.) The next step is to try decaffeinated coffee, perhaps even caffeinated coffee and maybe, just maybe, IP6..

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Post by daniel » Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:08 pm

Recent video on chelation and MS + EAE

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Post by civickiller » Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:48 pm

Anyone try DMSA succinic acid? It's a chelator. After my first three pills, I went from only being able to lift my leg 2" off the ground to lifting my Legs high enough for my knee to stomach height. But no other gains after the first three pills. But I used it to chelate mercury

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