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Katovice or Sofia???

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:32 am
by cassandra
Hi everybody
this is the first time I write and ask you to excuse me in advance for the mistakes I'll do writing..
I'am Italian, ms from 2006, edss 3.5. I have fixed 2 appointments, one in Sofia and one in Katovice and I don't know where to go!!! I don't know why but as strange personal sensation I feel to prefer Sofia even I know that poland were the first to start so they have a great experience...
can you help me??

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:18 am
by babiezuique
I just arrived from Katowice. Pam just talked about her disapointement with the clinic and i can share some of her concern. But you have to know that, when i entered in the operating room, i felt i was in very professionals hand. The man who operated me was not ludyga. But this man told me, every second what he was doing to me. For the first time of my life i felt someone was taking care of my sickness.

Today i'm at home, in Montreal... And i would return there and do it all again in a minute ( maybe without the catether;).

The nurses dont speak a word in ....french....neither italian..... and no english...this is thrue. But the medical team is top nuch, from my point of view.

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:54 am
by JoyIsMyStrength
Barbara I am so happy for you to have had such a great experience and that the doc actually talked to you! That is so good to know. I wanted to meet you but I guess we missed each other. Best wishes and thanks for helping to strike a balance. We can only report what we know first hand... and naturally not every experience will be identical.


Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:13 am
by Edde
I was there at the same time as Barbara and I have to agree with her that even tough there where some strange moments I would not hesitate to go back to Katowice and do it again if I have to!
My comparisone is with the swedish hospitals and their standards are high but they DO NOT PERFORME CCSVI!!! :(

I hope you are feeling well Barbara!! Please stay intouch if you can!!

"The swedish guy" :)

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:44 am
by babiezuique
Edde! I is it going for you? I'm so happy to read you;)

Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 4:21 pm
by AnnaP
Hi Cassandra,

I'm Italian too, but from Montreal,Canada. I had my liberation on the 7th of June in Sofia, Bulgaria. It was a wonderful experience. The hospital is beautiful, doctor's are amazing and nurses very friendly(they spoke English)

buona fortuna,


Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:13 pm
by livabird
Hi Cassandra,
This is actually Livabirds Hubbie....
I took Liva to Katowice in late Aril to have the treatment.
Our initial thoughs were fantastic, very professional.
We have since had to reasses this. Liva has PPMS and according to Dr Zamboni it is the Azygos vein that is most affected.
She had a stent in the right jugular and balooning in the left. Dr Simka did say he was amazed cause she had 2 azygos veins and at the time of the doppler he said they did not look good.
Well they didn't treat these veins, apparantly they were ok, but i believe it is because the azygos takes much longer to treat.
Anyways first month was great, but since then all her symptoms are back and worse.
We have now contacted Prof Grozdinski and he has given us an appointment for October 8th, we declined going back to Poland in July as we think they will not treat the azygos veins. So yes we need to fork out another small fortune but well worth it. From what we hear Bulgaria really look at the azygos veins and more often than not treat them, where as poland rarely treat these veins.
So depends on the MS you have possibly and don't get me wrong our experience in Poland was amazing... but we are dissappointed in what we have been told.

Hope this helps

Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:40 am
by Vhoenecke
I had appointments booked in both Poland and Bulgaria but went to Poland in April because they offered me a cancellation. I was concerned about Bulgaria at that time because they were just going to be starting up and there wasn't a lot of information. Once they started doing the procedures in Bulgaria i was hearing good things about the surgeons there. I have no complaints about what happened to me in Poland because I feel as if I am done with MS but those that were more MS advanced than me would fair better in bulgaria. Please keep in mind that is my opinion and mine only. The surgeons in Bulgaria are top notch but the place of Poland is better. I had Dr. Ludyga as my surgeon and he was very good but I don't think I had anything wrong with my chest veins.


Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 7:19 am
by esta
i am returning also in august to katowice, and have ppms and after reading this, now i am wondering too. oh, what to do...i wonder...can i ask them to ck my azygos again, and be more insistant about the facts that zamboni noted? or, just head to sofia. when are you going livabird


Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 7:28 am
by LivabirdsHubbie
We are going on October 8th.
We just feel that this is the best option for us, but everyone must make up their own mind.

all the best

Good discussion

Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 7:37 am
by fiddler
This is an interesting and useful discussion for many people on TiMS, I'm sure. It will be a difficult choice I know, Cassandra, but isn't it wonderful that we all now have a choice!?! And from what I have heard on TiMS, Sofia is a very viable alternative. Whichever you choose, I wish you a wonderful liberation.

well said

Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 9:28 am
by LivabirdsHubbie
Well said Fiddler, it is nice that there is a choice, although i do feel for the people that there are no choices as it is very expensive to travel to these places, so maybe one day the government will wake up and offer this close to home.

We have chosen Prof Grozdinski in Bulgaria as he does a lot of work on the azygos and we explained what we have already done.

It does cost a lot more doing it this way as we now need to pay the 5,000 or more Euros instead of the 2,500 if we went back to Poland.

Good luck to all