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question about teeth

Post by erinc14 » Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:23 am

i had venoplasty in march of this year and have had 2 of my bottom teeth near the front shift dramatically to the front of gums and down. in fact there are spaces where they once were.

i emailed the school of dentistry at mcgill university and was told they've heard of it. has anyone else noticed this ?

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Post by dania » Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:10 am

Did Mcgill dentistry say anything else besides they have heard of it? As in heard what exactly?

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Post by erinc14 » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:02 am

this is the answer i got from the dean:

"It is very difficult to comment on health problems without seeing the patient and I am no longer a practicing dentist, so I suggest you consult with your dentist. Having said that, from your brief description, yes I have heard of this happening and again suggest that you need to see your dentist for diagnosis and treamtment.

Sorry I cannot be more help. Good luck
Paul Allison"

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Re: question about teeth

Post by Cece » Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:26 pm

I haven't heard of this. I'm looking to see what vein drains the gums of the mouth. So far all I've found is that the tongue is drained by the lingual veins that drain into the IJV. One of the more immediate improvements I had was that food tasted better. I was surprised by this because I haven't heard it mentioned as a common post-treatment phenomenon, but it's been a lasting one. Fruit is especially delicious. I also remember the first time I called a dessert too sweet! That was about two months post-procedure. That is new.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingual_veins

Anyway, if the veins that drain the gums were obstructed, and are now cleared, that might affect the health of the gums, although I would think in a positive way? It's the gums that would be responsible for teeth shifting, I think? I think the dean is saying that teeth shifting is something that he has dealt with before, not that he had a clear explanation connecting the CCSVI procedure to the teeth shifting.

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Re: question about teeth

Post by erinc14 » Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:51 am

okay thanks .

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Moving teeth

Post by MarkW » Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:36 am

None of my teeth moved after de-stenosis. However black rings under my eyes are now more pronounced than before my procedures. I expect there will be many minor changes noted when the data is collected from say 10,000 procedures. It is mis-leading to explain these observations at this stage.
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Re: question about teeth

Post by erinc14 » Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:00 am

and i should say i am glad i had the procedure but am just curious about this .

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Post by dania » Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:03 am

I am glad you posted this as I have never heard anything about it.

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Post by JohnAm » Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:13 pm

I think Dr Code testified about improvement of his gums after veinoplasty
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Re: question about teeth

Post by Cece » Sat Nov 12, 2011 5:35 pm

erin, have you restenosed or clotted? If LR experienced it after clotting, maybe it is a result of worse jugular flow, not better.

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Re: question about teeth

Post by lovebug » Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:43 pm

Yes I saw a video where Dr.Bill Code mentioned that the problem he had been having with his gums improved after his venoplasty procedure. Go figure!!! Maybe pwMS have other health problems that are in fact tied into blocked veins. I think there is still much to be studied on this topic.

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Re: question about teeth

Post by erinc14 » Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:03 am

right after my procedure i had terrible pain on the left side of my head for 3 or 4 months particularly my neck and jaw. i wonder if my shifting teeth were causing this . i have had no pain since . as for clotting i guess i'll never know unless i get better and can travel . although i did have a doppler ultrasound at a local hospital and was told everything was ok. but i don't feel they knew anything about this .

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Re: question about teeth

Post by Cece » Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:29 am

The local hospital doppler is sufficient to look for clotting, so I would trust it for that. Clotting is really easy to spot.

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Re: question about teeth

Post by dania » Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:39 am

I would disagree with you Cece. Unless something has changed in the last 2 years. They did an ultrasound on me and the SUSPECTED I had a clot but it was only when they did the venogram that it was confirmed. Right now my veins are obstructed and they suspect scarring but again they are not 100% sure. I do not think it is that back or white unfortunately.

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Re: question about teeth

Post by erinc14 » Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:30 pm

Cece wrote:The local hospital doppler is sufficient to look for clotting, so I would trust it for that. Clotting is really easy to spot.
okay , thanks ! i guess they saw my stents then? maybe one day i can go back to albany for a doppler .

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