Structural problems in the neck or jaw?
Structural problems in the neck or jaw?
3 years ago I got some heavy dental work done--totally messed my mouth--I had a class I on one side, and class II on other, underbite problem, and ended up with at least class II on both sides (made me worse, not better with their work)---ended up in severe pain (for past 3 years!), with severe TMJ problem--many dentists seen, no help--Finally now seeing a neuromuscular dentist, and have been wearing different types of orthotic devices (similiar to night guards) for past 17 months to slowly reposition my jaw to a spot where correct the joint problem, and then willl have to have most of teeth crowned in order to realign my teeth to correct joint position! You cannot imagine the amt of money this is costing. BUT the pain is at minimal level now !
But along the route of mending, have seen an osteopath, and chiropractor, and do a number of exercises. One of findings is that I have lordosis of neck--esentially, a straight neck ! (am doing excercises for this)--this neuromuscular dentistry is a relatively new field, but it will oddly end up helping my MS. With all the body work to correct the neck and jaw alignment, am doing much better. With the osteopathic cranial manipulation, amazing how much better my vision and mood are right after a treatment--one area the Dr concentrates on is separating the skull from neck in back--I also do an exercise several times a day to stretch this area--was extremely difficult and painful to do when I started it last year, now easy, but still a bit painful..
So yes, these problems were glossed over with me until the dental work made them so glaring that I had to get answers.
If you want further info on any of this, I think there is a way we can contact each other privately here, but don't know how yet.
meanwhile, you can look at site of neuromuscular dentistry to get an idea of how they help http://www.leadingdentists.com/
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I started having hearing problems on the right, and always thought that it was my Eustachian tube. I felt that I wanted to reach into my ear, and down to the level of my clavicle to pull out the obstruction (sounds like drainage to me...). I am now completely deaf on the right side, though that ear has a screaming, variable, six-tone tinnitus. The ENTs have never been able to find what's wrong, and have blamed it on MS. The neurologists have never been able to find anything in the MRIs, and refer me to ENT.
Am I nutty for hoping that I might regain my hearing after draining my head? (rhetorical question)
Yes, and I am afraid that I may do that too. For example: Is my vision in trouble because of MS? Reading on the computer too much? Middle age? Do I just need a new eyeglasses prescription? Am I exhausted because I did not sleep enough for too many years? or because I slept too much in the last 3 months? Am I really fatigued? or just lazy? Am I dizzy because I might have low blood sugar? Because I smoke too much? What is that weird pain in my chest? Behind my eye? In my teeth? below my ...Algis wrote:I may sounds paranoid here but I feel somewhat that when the Docs cant find a suitable answer they easily hang it in the MS cabinet...
It is a capricious affliction, and I don't much wonder that the medicos are even more confused than we are. I think that most of us know more about MS than any neurologist that we have ever had to consult, and definitely more than any General Practitioner that I have ever had to get a referral from, but, I think, not near as much as the likes of Dr. Zamboni. (and to be fair, Schelling, and quite a few others)
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About 3-4 years before Courtney was diagnosed she had her wisdom teeth taken out, and had a very rough time of it and took a while to heal. In addition, shortly after she started having signs of TMJ and to this day there are times when she can only open her mouth so far without pain in her left jaw.
Considering the location of the veins in question when talking about CCSVI I could very well see how structural problems in the jaw could perhaps be putting pressure on a vein and restricting flow.
I wondered at that, and wondered if it was the other way around... I first started having TMJ dysfunction when I was about 15 - that's when the wisdom teeth start coming (MS arrived at 32). If the vein problem is congenital, perhaps that stunts the development of the jaw in the early years. Chicken and egg kinda deal, isn't it? I'm not too sure how the TMJ would affect lower jugulars, azygous, or vertebral jugulars. I will be able to better comment after I have scans in February/MarchJohnnymac wrote: [redacted]
Considering the location of the veins in question when talking about CCSVI I could very well see how structural problems in the jaw could perhaps be putting pressure on a vein and restricting flow.
I had a grim time with the extraction too - I had all 4 teeth out the same day (and a fair bit of bone came out with them). The Dental Surgeon literally had his foot on the chair beside my head for leverage. Healing was slow for me as well (despite mouth washes 10 x per day with Golden Seal/Myrrh/Comfrey). 15 years later, I still get occasional flare-ups of the gums where the teeth used to be.
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That sounds like the lack of drainage (blocked veins) is the chicken, and the TMJD is the egg.ozarkcanoer wrote:I have a lot of TMJ right now. When I was in my 20's I had dental surgery to extract a couple of wisdom teeth. It was a long time to heal. Since then I have had mucho root canals, LOL. But my TMJ didn't start until my MS diagnosis in Jan 2008.
Root canals are apparently not a good thing. From what I have read, there is always infection of some level, or another. I'm not sure that extraction, followed by implant is better by any great degree. I just have one root canal (almost 30 years ago), and it is a great conundrum for me. I don't want bridges, or plates, but I want MS even less. Dr. Simka's surgery is just slightly less than 2x what an implant costs, but I have never heard any suggestion that extracting a dead tooth might ameliorate MS symptoms. I'll go for the vein surgery for now.
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Forgot to add, my braces were originally put in to pull my jaw OUT, for alignment purposes, prior to getting that jaw surgery with the funky name I dont feel like looking up. The braces stayed on for about 1 1/2 years, doing just like the ortho had planned, but I neglected to finish it up with the jaw surgery. 6 months later I "got MS" ie my first identifiable flare up or hint that anything was going on.
Just stuff that makes you wonder about the litany of factors involved in the symphony that is MS...
Neck injury??
I've been racking my brain trying to fit together the CCSVI pieces as it relates to MS, and my MS more specifically. Yesterday morning, I had an epiphany. My MS presented itself this past January, after a vigorous aerobics routine, followed by a neck injury. Three days later, my double vision started. I was convinced the double vision was as a result of the neck injury, also because I knew nothing of MS at the time. After months of symptoms and several hospital stays, I was finally diagnosed. Funny thing was, I didn't fall into some of the "typical' onset categories. I've never had Epstein Barr; I hadn't been under any stress; there was no virus prior to my symptoms; no family members have MS; the list goes on and on. The ONLY thing was my neck injury. Ironically, the left side of my neck still bothers me. I realize this may be grasping, but I can't help but think it's connected somehow.
As this reseach moves forward, I wonder if the connection to the dots will become clearer? I am convinced CCSVI is the answer, primarily because it FITS. Interesting stuff...
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