Hubbard's Testing Protocol

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Cost of surgery through Hubbard`s Foundation

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Does anybody know what the costs will be for the testing and the surgery done throught the Hubbard Foundation? Since I am from Canada with no insurance in the U.S., I can only imagine what the price tag is going to be ??? Has anybody actually had any surgeries here yet?
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lovebug wrote:Does anybody know what the costs will be for the testing and the surgery done throught the Hubbard Foundation? Since I am from Canada with no insurance in the U.S., I can only imagine what the price tag is going to be ??? Has anybody actually had any surgeries here yet?
I know Devin was charged around $23,000 for his procedure and I think they are working to keep the fees around that or lower..but I am uncertain of the final costs.

They have posted this on their website:
"The procedure is done at two locations: an outpatient vein clinic in Del Mar (San Diego), or the hospital in Rancho Bernardo (San Diego). For those paying cash,( or whose insurance denies) the Del Mar facility will charge $7,500 for the physician and facility combined. For those with insurance, you can go to either facility."

So it looks like they are trying to keep the costs much lower than what Devin was charged. I'd be interested too to find out what people were finally charged.
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It was $7500 for treatment/facility but also I believe $2500 for testing so $10000 total. Someone correct me if I'm wrong...(reminds of the comic strip "I can't come to sleep, someone's wrong on the internet!!!") :)
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Oh yes, I forgot the fee for the scans..I was charged $2,500 for that...
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patientx wrote:
lovebug wrote:J I paid an extra $400.00 to have my reports sent to Dr. Haacke for review.
Why on earth would anyone pay to have their MRI scans reviewed by Mr. Haacke? He is not a radiologist.
That's Dr Haacke, to you.

Aside from having invented SWI

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susceptibi ... ed_imaging

and being the source of the definitive MR protocols for MS

http://www.ms-mri.com/potential.php

and being founder and president of the International Society for Neurovascular Disease, and probably knowing more about brain and venous anatomy than most radiologists .. sorry, I'm drawing a blank. No reason I can think of.
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I think, since everything is still so much in the beginning stages, anyone like Dr. Haacke who has acquired some expertise in CCSVI is of great value.
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Cece wrote:I think, since everything is still so much in the beginning stages, anyone like Dr. Haacke who has acquired some expertise in CCSVI is of great value.
He's highly respected among neurologists as well as other specialists. So, I agree CeCe and would definitely want him on my team.
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Dr. Hubbard one time visit.........August 5/10

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I received confirmation to send in requested doc's
it would be a 3-6 day stay

1 visit......

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Re: Hubbard`s testing protocol

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drbart wrote:That's Dr Haacke, to you.
That wasn't meant as a sign of derision. Many of my co-workers are PhDs, and I call them by their first names. They don't insist I address them as "doctor." Also, many times, I have seen people referring to Dr. Haacke as a medical doctor; they should be made aware of the difference.
Yes, he invented SWI (or is one of the inventors) and has a patent on it, but the SWI has not become a standard MRI sequence yet. Most of the studies done with it have been done by Mark Haacke. So, who really knows how repeatable it is. And, in some of his studies, he states that the source of the increased signal phase shift could be from other elements besides iron. That X-ray fluoroscopy was used to independently verify the iron content in the latest study on cadaver brains, indicates that the SWI method is still being put through its paces. If he wants to have people send him scans so that he can continue to verify his research, fantastic. If he wants people to send him money for doing so, in order to support his research, fine - but, if that's what is happening, they should be told that.
and being the source of the definitive MR protocols for MS

http://www.ms-mri.com/potential.php

and being founder and president of the International Society for Neurovascular Disease, and probably knowing more about brain and venous anatomy than most radiologists .. sorry, I'm drawing a blank. No reason I can think of.
I'd like to know where you get that he is the source of definitive MRI protocols for MS. He invented the T1-weighted, T2-weighted, and FLAIR sequences?
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