CCSVI and CCVBP

WeWillBeatMS · Post by **WeWillBeatMS** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:33 am

Dr. Flanagan,

Thank you for taking the time to inform people about another alternative to dealing with this stupid disease.

My question is regarding different types of upper cervical methods. What is the difference between the knee-chest method and orthoganal care? (and maybe a third type that I am missing).

I live in Boca Raton and there a knee-chest chiro north of me and a different orthogonal chiro south of me. Thanks again.

WeWillBeatMS

uprightdoc · Post by **uprightdoc** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:40 pm

Hello NZer1,
I am truly sorry to hear of your troubles. Hang in there.

uprightdoc · Post by **uprightdoc** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:56 pm

Hello newlywebforever,
I don't know of anyone in your neck of the woods in Michigan but one of the best in the upper cervical business is a NUCCA chiropractor. His name is Dr. Keith Denton and his office is in Monroe. He was trained personally by Dr. Ralph Gregory, the founder of NUCCA. Consequently, Michigan is the epicenter of NUCCA. There are quite a few NUCCA chiropractors in Michigan. I would call Dr. Denton and see if he knows someone closer to you. His phone number is 734-241-6923.

uprightdoc · Post by **uprightdoc** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:08 pm

WeWillBeatMS wrote: My question is regarding different types of upper cervical methods. What is the difference between the knee-chest method and orthoganal care? (and maybe a third type that I am missing).

I live in Boca Raton and there a knee-chest chiro north of me and a different orthogonal chiro south of me. Thanks again.

Hello WewillbeatMS,
Toggle recoil knee chest upper cervical is the method I learned. It is the original method. Everything else is a variation. I got a taste of NUCCA just before I graduated. Atlas Orthogonal came later. Knee chest methods use anatomical notation to describe the misalignment. For example if atlas slipped forward and up on the right condyle (joint) of the skull it would be anterior and superior on the right or ASR.
NUCCA and Atlas Orthogonal measure and define the misalgnment in terms of angles and degrees of rotation, which allow for more precise lines of of correction. NUCCA and AO also make the adjustment with the patient in side posture and the spine aligned. The Blair Method also uses side posture with a drop headpiece. In knee chest the patient is kneeling down with the head turned toward the side of misalignment. All methods of upper cervical use special x-rays to determine the misalignment. Most but not all use thermograms and leg checks to determine when to readjust. All upper cervical methods are effective. NUCCA and AO are on the cutting edge of upper cervical. Hopefully there will be further improvements and better parameters for when to adjust.

Cece · Post by **Cece** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:52 pm

uprightdoc wrote:Hello NZer1,
I am truly sorry to hear of your troubles. Hang in there.

I second this, Nigel. Very glad to hear that your sister is there for you.

NZer1 · Post by **NZer1** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:01 pm

Thanks Dr and thanks again Cece, it makes a difference knowing people care.
Regards Nigel

blossom · Post by **blossom** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:44 pm

NZer1, this truly hurt me to my very bones when i read what has just happened to you. i do understand because i experienced it. even down to you having $4.00, i had a bowl of change. thank GOD you have your sister. if not for my brother i don't know how things would have turned out. but in your situation hopefully things will turn around and when your wife gets things sorted out she will return.

the earth shakeing in your part of the world and your personal world crumbling around you at the same time. what a dirty shame. know that there are true from the heart thoughts and prayers being sent your way by many here.

NZer1 · Post by **NZer1** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:47 pm

Thanks blossom I felt that.

Regards Nigel

Kathryn333 · Post by **Kathryn333** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:07 pm

Nigel, I’m very sorry to learn what’s happening in your life. Hang in there. I hope things will change for you.

NZer1 · Post by **NZer1** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:39 pm

Thanks Kathryn333, I am sooo looking forward to change, to lift my heart felt feelings, and get some normality back for my MS sake and my broken hearts sake.
Thanks Nigel

HappyPoet · Post by **HappyPoet** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:40 pm

Nigel,

Please know that you are in my thoughts and that I'm so sorry for all the heartbreak that's befallen you and your family. Hopefully, you're finding a measure of comfort within all the prayers coming your way from TIMS' members all around the world. You cared for so many of us who needed support and motivation to carry on, and now it's our turn to return your kindness and compassion.

You're a very inspiring human being -- promising the teens that you'll always be there for them is a grand gesture of love which goes far in showing how lucky they are having you in their lives and how lucky we are in having you as our friend.

Stay strong. Stay close.

~Pam

Edit: I sent you a PM

NZer1 · Post by **NZer1** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:05 pm

Thanks Happypoet, you brought a tear (many truth be known) to my eyes with your words they mean so much at this time, Thank you, thank you and Thank again, Nigel

Drury · Post by **Drury** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:06 pm

Dr. Flanagan,

I have been out of the loop on this site for several months and have missed so much although I have tried to frantically to catch-up recently.

You were so kind to give me feedback on my daughter who suffered brain trauma, herniated discs, TMJ etc. after being hit by a cab in 2005. She was then diagnosed with MS. She has been seeing her Atlas doc when needed and is due to have CCSVI (insurance permitting) shortly. Meanwhile she went to a TMJ doc as that was also one of her probs and she has just been fitted for two mouthpieces upper and lower for day and night wear. He also said they might help with her balance. Is that true?
Her Atlas guy said she should make sure she sees him prior to more TMJ treament as he is concerned that if she needs adjusting the mouth pieces will be out of alignment - hope that makes sense. Any thoughts there? She sees Dr. Kerr in NYC.

We were hoping to get her lower back, etc. looked at prior to her treatment but have not done so to date as other things have taken over. The TMJ doctor said her neck tilts to one side which is obviously since her accident. His name is Dr. Gelb by the way in NYC and he recommended a physical therapist (I think) for cranial treatment who happened to be in the room with the doc as he works with him. He put his hand on my daughters head and said it was tight but he thought he could possibly do something.

Any thoughts on the above?

NZer1 So sorry to hear your sad news. Really hope things work out for you.

Drury

formyruca · Post by **formyruca** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:02 pm

David1949,

I was referred by a friend. I did not know if she was an upper cervical chiropractor or not. It turns out that she is a UCC and she explained her adjustments as very delicate and does not do the twisting of the neck or spine. She only adjusts the atlas and/or axis. I can't vouch for it personally yet, but I will Friday when I see her for the adjustment. I would suggest a consultation with her to hear her methods.

She does not take insurance.

NZer1 · Post by **NZer1** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:28 pm

Thanks Drury.
Hope all the various treatments come together for your daughter, there seems to be so much to attend to.
As my sister said the other day, How do you eat an elephant?.............., reply, one bite at a time.
Regards Nigel

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