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Just a thought on IBT and CCSVI and MS. What if your jugular veins are just fine, but it is your azygous drainage and other veins that drain in an upright position that are impaired ? That would mean that much of the reflux damage is done during the day and not at night, and at night your cerebral blood flows better than during the day. I know that I feel better in the morning and steadily get worse during the day to the point that by late afternoon and evening my whole head and neck are in pain and I just want to die.

Hello,

New on this forum, I am very interested in CCSVI and IBT.
Am French, aged 39. I've been diagnosed in june 09.

Didn't have liberation procedure but I lifted up my bed one week ago.

I started with 5 cms. It didn't do anything.

Yesterday evening I reached 10 cms. Took my sleeping pill as usual and woke up 4 hours after but It had been a different sleep more profund, more refreshing.
Unfortunately, I didn't go back to sleep.

The effects are AMAZING. It's hard to believe!!
I'll go on, hoping the results will improve. I am reluctant to go on holidays, because of the bed...

Thank a lot for talking about IBT,

Bubble

Ozarkcanoer

Just a thought on IBT and CCSVI and MS. What if your jugular veins are just fine, but it is your azygous drainage and other veins that drain in an upright position that are impaired ? That would mean that much of the reflux damage is done during the day and not at night, and at night your cerebral blood flows better than during the day. I know that I feel better in the morning and steadily get worse during the day to the point that by late afternoon and evening my whole head and neck are in pain and I just want to die.

An interesting thought. But leaves a question about how much benefit your are getting from sleeping flat, could it be that the fatigue is a result of worse circulation during the night? There is a difference between increased velocity of circulation due to restriction of vessels and improved circulation.

Could there be a difference moving to an upright posture from an inclined bed as opposed to rising from a flat bed?

We know that orthostatic hypertension is improved greatly moving from an inclined position to an upright posture:

Could it be that veins are reconditioned to becoming vertical over time using I.T.?

Again, I do not have any facilities that are privy to the medical profession to examine any perceived changes, but the people with ms do.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/543590_6
Orthostatic Hypertension: When Pressor Reflexes Overcompensate: Pathophysiology of Orthostatic Hypertension
Acta Astronaut. 1994 Jul;33:69-76.
Effect of head up tilt on cerebral circulation.
Yoshimoto S, Ueno T, Mayanagi Y, Sekiguchi C, Yumikura S, Miyamoto A, Yajima K.
Dept. of Neurosurgery, Tokyo Police Hospital, Japan.
This study was performed to study the effect of the head up tilt (HUT) on cerebral circulation across the time course (60 degrees HUT for 15 minutes) and across the different angles of HUT (15, 30, 45, 60 degrees HUT for 15 minutes). Cerebral circulation was continuously monitored during 15 minutes of HUT by the carotid Doppler flow meter, the transcranial Doppler flow meter, and the near infra-red spectrophotometer. The results show that the cerebral blood flow decreased during HUT and that the cerebral blood volume decreased initially and then gradually increased. And the magnitude of the effect may have the relationship with the angles of the HUT.


http://seniorjournal.com/NEWS/Aging/200 ... ection.htm
Participants included people with severe sleep apnea who experienced more than 30 apneas an hour during sleep time. The participants were about 47 years old, were free of cardiac disease and had not experienced any strokes. The study also included a control group which did not have sleep apnea but was similar in most other ways.
The researchers monitored the participants blood pressure while standing and squatting. Standing from a squatting position lowers blood pressure as can be experienced during normal daily activity. They also monitored the participants as they slept. The study found that the sleep apnea group:
● had lower cerebral blood flow velocity
● had significantly lower blood oxygen levels during sleep
● took longer to recover from a drop in blood pressure
● took longer to normalize blood flow to the brain
Identification is key
Overall, the findings indicate that repeated surges and drops in blood pressure and low oxygen levels eventually impair the body�s ability to regulate blood flow to the brain. Sleep apnea may occur over a long period of time before the person becomes aware of it and seeks medical treatment. Here are the symptoms Dr. Mohsenin says to watch out for:
● After eight hours of sleep, you don�t feel rested. During the day, you feel more and more tired, and by afternoon, you want to nap.



Increased Cerebral Blood Flow Velocity in Children with Mild Sleep-Disordered Breathing
A Possible Association with Abnormal Neuropsychological Function

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1995426/

2008 Dec;18(6):318-24. Epub 2008 Oct 15.
Head-up sleeping improves orthostatic tolerance in patients with syncope.
Cooper VL, Hainsworth R.
Cardiorespiratory Unit, St James's University Hospital, Leeds, UK.

OBJECTIVES: This study was designed to examine the effect of head-up sleeping as a treatment for vasovagal syncope in otherwise healthy patients. Treatment for syncope is difficult. Pharmacological treatments have potential side effects and, although other non-pharmacological treatments such as salt and fluid loading often help, in some cases they may be ineffective or unsuitable. Head-up sleeping may provide an alternative treatment. METHODS: Twelve patients had a diagnosis of vasovagal syncope based both on the history and on early pre-syncope during a test of head-up tilting and graded lower body suction. They then underwent a period of 3-4 months of sleeping with the head-end of their bed raised by 10 degrees , after which orthostatic tolerance (time to pre-syncope during tilt test) was reassessed. RESULTS: Eleven patients (92%) showed a significant improvement in orthostatic tolerance (time to pre-syncope increased by 2 minutes or more). Plasma volume was assessed in eight patients and was found to show a significant increase (P < 0.05, Wilcoxon signed-rank test). There was no significant change in either resting or tilted heart rate or blood pressure after head-up sleeping. INTERPRETATION: Head-up sleeping is a simple, non-pharmacological treatment which is effective in the majority of patients. However, it may not be tolerated by patients or bed-partners long term and whether the effects continue after cessation of treatment remains to be determined.

I apologize if this has been answered before but do you use a bed pillow for your head when using an inclined bed? I set my bed up on a 6" incline about 1 week ago but I have been using a head pillow. I need to see if that is wrong and adjust. Thanks!

Pillow is fine, possibly better to keep head inline with spine when sleeping on side.

How are you finding I.T.?

Andrew

Thanks for your quick response. I am not very comfortable just laying my head on the mattress, I much prefer a pillow. However, should I be laying on my side? I normally sleep on my back, but will sleep on my side if you think it is best.

Well, it has only been 1 week and I don't really see much change yet. I do seem to be sleeping a little better, but that could be due to not sleeping with my hubby! [He snores] I set up an old twin bed in another room to try the IBT with, and then my husband and I will do our larger bed if it helps me. I am hoping for an improvement in my vision, as I am currently going through ON in my left eye, with basically no vision for the last 3.5 months. I wrote down all the benefits IBT should give me and the time spans, so I will keep track of improvements and let everyone know.

kathryn6112 wrote:I do seem to be sleeping a little better, but that could be due to not sleeping with my hubby! [He snores]

Kathryn, my husband hasn't snored since we inclined our bed two weeks ago. He was a symphony orchestra before that!

~ Sandra

p.s. our 27 yr old son inclined his bed last night after hearing that my morning stuffy nose disappeared and said he awoke this morning with no congestion. He usually snorts and sniffs for half an hour every morning and wrote it off as allergies to pillows and linen. He's very pleased

Hey Sandra! Glad your husband and son are doing well with the inclined bed. How large is your bed? Ours is a king and my husband doesn't want to spend the time/money to incline it properly (mine is just kind of rigged for now) until he is sure it is helping me, which I understand. He knows that it could help his snoring so he is willing to try it. I'm also hoping it will help both our sinuses. This has been a bad week for that down here as the weather has been raining and colder/warmer/colder, etc. That really messes my allergies up.

I seem to be in the wrong area of the board to talk about IBT. Is there a thread somewhere else that I can/should post in about my experience? Thanks!

Kathryn

kathryn - for optic neuritis, try Grape Seed Extract (natural anti-inflammatory) in combination with freshly juiced carrots and beets (by the quart). I turned an ON around in 3 days, as such. Your mileage may vary...

If it is the left eye, try to engage your right brain - write three pages of stream-of-consciousness every morning upon waking. Look at, and admire beautiful things. If it is your right eye, engage yourself in logic (if y=A, X=3.416, etc.), and listen (really listen) to jazz, and Chopin.

Well, it works for me...

There is no toxicity to Grape Seed Extract, beyond the potential for developing an allergy to grapes.

kathryn6112 wrote:Hey Sandra! Glad your husband and son are doing well with the inclined bed. How large is your bed? Ours is a king and my husband doesn't want to spend the time/money to incline it properly (mine is just kind of rigged for now) until he is sure it is helping me, which I understand. He knows that it could help his snoring so he is willing to try it. I'm also hoping it will help both our sinuses. This has been a bad week for that down here as the weather has been raining and colder/warmer/colder, etc. That really messes my allergies up. else that I can/should post in about my experience? Thanks!

Kathryn, ours is a king as well, with a wooden frame. We took the supports off the inside of the frame with a crowbar and re-glued and re-screwed them inside the frame 4" above at the headboard and sloping downward. So it cost us nothing. If we didn't like it, we could just do the same in reverse.

Our son hasn't ever been able to wake up with a clear head, except for last night after the first night on a 4" grade. He did the cheap-and-cheerful, quick solution and put a fence post under the bed at the headboard end. Voila!

I think I fall asleep MUCH faster (could be absence of snoring from hubbie) and wake up MUCH more alert. I only sleep 5 hours or so, though. But, in the "olden" days, I would stay in bed for 5-6 hours, but only sleep for 3 or 4, so I think I'm ahead on sleep time.

~ Sandra

I have some news:
- I still wake up sometimes with mild or even middle headache, but not strong headache, I do not have nausea in the morning - I still have it sometimes during the day
- I think it was three days ago - but I do not have my backache in the morning anymore
- the best is that I started to take 900 mg of Carbamazepin instead of 1200 mg Carbamazepin a day because of my central neuropathic pain in my right arm. I tried many, many times in the past - but it was not working - this time it is, so I think I have less pain. I am so glad to be able to take less Carbamazepin after 3 years!
Erika

That is great Erika. Keep on keeping on!

Hi Forum

Just wanted to say that it is really great to see people reporting back with their experiences on inclined therapy.

The photographs that have been seen on this forum showing improvement to varicose veins through inclined therapy are my legs.

Andrew K Fletcher has been a great help to me and i hope that you all continue to benefit from this amazing therapy.

I have not got MS, but hope that the pictures have pushed people to have a go and benefit from this simple and free process.

Alun

Hello--I fell asleep in my sons flat bed last night and these are my two observations 1) I did not void completely and dribbled on myself afterwards 2) I am not as refreshed and alert as I have been since sleeping in inclined bed. Judi