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Hello Fernando,

What an interesting paper. I don't know how you found it. I will have to go through it more thoroughly when I get a chance. As you can see, I discuss many similar topics in my book regarding cranial complinace and cranial hydrodynamics.

Look closely at the pictures of the sutures of the skull in the book. The sutures are a reflection of the stresses that strained them. Those stresses come from cranial hydrodynamics. The sutures are what got my research started. The wide open state of the sutures of the artificially deformed crania from Peru and Bolivia started me looking into hydrocephalus. The paper discusses the impact of trepinations on cranial compliance which I discuss in my book. I suspect the shamen/physicians of the day used skull deformation and trepination to control increased intracranial pressure and hydrocephalus in children. If so, they were way ahead of western medicine and more successful at treating hydrocephalus. Surgical decompression for Chiari malformations use a method similar to trepination. The paper also covers some of the physiological impacts of diving on cranial hydrodynamics and brain blood flow. I similarly cover the impact on cranial hydrodynamics and blood flow due to deep dives in whales in my book. In addition to human skulls, bats, whales and giraffes provide plenty of forensic evidence of cranial hydrodynamics. The last chapter is about evolution, intelligence and cognition as well as space physiology and the impact of zero gravity on cranial compliance and brain blood flow.

fernando wrote:Dr Flanagan

I have just received your book "The Downside of Upright Posture". It is really fascinating.

By the way, a couple of years ago I found the works of a russian researcher Y. Moskalenko. Today I stumbled upon an old link from my bookmarks, to one of his articles that you might find interesting:

http://www.beckleyfoundation.org/pdf/Mo ... ograph.pdf

Fernando

Very nice.

dr. flanagan, i was wondering about the heat intolerence i have. you had mentioned that my veins are being squeezed by the stenosis and vascular problems are sensitive to temperature. when i had the ccsvi treatment it was no help but many did report heat intolerence was better including montel williams.

another question. i am noticeing for quite a while now that when sitting up in hosp. bed on that angle my nose face and ears and my left arm and hand will get like ice. it does not do that when i'm sitting otherwise. but when i lay down bam my face etc. warm up. i am hoping that my ccsvi treatment isn't scarring up-i'll know in dec. if i still have flow. but, with all the stuff that my problems can cause do you think the freezing nose? again all about position.

sending out mri again. this time i did not list ms. if they agree to see me after looking at the mri and x-ray and when i get there and change their mind what are they gonna do? throw me out-hang me? the way they can boink your name in the med. files they might catch it but we'll see. this all plain sucks.

Blossum,
I suspect that your face gets cold when you sit up in bed because your neck is more flexed toward your chin which you know increases your symptoms because it pulls the cord toward the bone spurs (osteophytes). It also pulls your brainstem tighter toward the base of skull which puts pressure on the vertebral-basilar arteries going to the brainstem and cerebellum. Among other things, this can affect the nerves and control centers that regulate blood flow to the body and face. When you sit upright, such as in a chair, your head and neck are less flexed so there is less pressure on the cord, as well as blood and CSF pathways.

It sounds like a good idea not to mention the MS right away so as not to prejudice the surgeons thinking. It sucks for sure but it's still worth pursuing in your case so hang in there. To be fair to the surgeons are reluctant to do the surgery because they don't see a benefit when it comes to MS. The problem is no one has connected the dots yet between spondylosis, scoliosis and stenosis in MS.

euphoniaa wrote:
Here's my RLS/massage update: When I went to my massage yesterday, I asked for a lower pillow, and we came up with a buckwheat hull version that allowed me to squiggle my head into the most comfortable position and hold it there. I also turned my head the opposite way than I usually do (that seemed to make the RLS milder last time). Result: This was the first massage in months where I didn't have a single twitch, jerk, or kick in my left leg. Cool! Am anxious to see if I've found the answer or if it was a fluke.

Here's another quick massage update: At my massage yesterday I used the same routine - turning my head the opposite way and nestling it into a more natural position on a low, buckwheat hull pillow - no Restless Leg jerks at all! Two massage visits in a row without getting a half hour full of RLS spasms! This is exciting and is making me even more determined to get Upper Cervical treatment.

I have a doctor's appointment on Dec 6, where I hope she'll order a c-spine MRI that will help evaluate my current status. But whether she orders one or not, I plan to make a UCC appointment. And...even though I've always attributed most of my problems to those whiplash incidents anyway, I'm going to be even more conscious of my cervical area and its relation to my symptoms (which, of course, I chart daily).

As an FYI, for those who can't recall every detail of my posts way back on p. 111 , my original question here was whether my upper cervical damage might be the reason I was getting nasty Restless Leg spasms at every single massage, even though I never get RLS any other time. So far, it looks like it may be the position of my head/neck after all. Will keep updating.

It's not always MS...it's not always MS...it's not always MS.

Wishing everyone a relaxing, pain free day today also.

Thanks for the update Euphoniaa. Hopefully you will get the cervical scans. I can just imagine what they look like. Keep me posted.

euphoniaa, i agree with you--that it's not always the ms. and really to this day no dr. can 100 per cent say just what ms is or what the cause or how to fix it. yet "at least for the time being"they the mainstream want to poo poo research that dr. flanagan has done and refuse to listen to patients like us. we live in our body they don't.

the best!

Dr Flanagan, I made this comment in another post:
"Occassionaly I have an involuntary yawn and stretch. I guess most people have that from time to time. But what gets interesting is that my left leg and foot will lift up involuntarily in a way that I can no longer do voluntarily. When that happens I can hold it up voluntarily for a few seconds before it collapses. It's as if the leg temporarily works right again."
http://www.thisisms.com/forum/chronic-c ... hilit=yawn

It seems that many other TIMS posters have a similar response to yawning and stretching. And there was a scientific study that found about 1/3 of MSers have that. I don't think I've ever discussed it with you before. Do you know of anything that happens during a yawn/stretch that might temporarily increase blood flow or CSF flow through the brain or spinal column?

Hi David,
There are tremendous changes in musculoskeletal relationships between the base of the skull and the upper cervical spine when you open your mouth wide to yawn. Yawning also changes air and circulatory pressure gradients. However, because of the rapid improvement in muscle function in your leg I suspect that in your case the affect is more due to decompression of the motor tracts that are on the front side of the junction between the brainstem and cord called the cervical medullary junction. When you yawn the condyles of the skull slide forward and upward, which cause the head to tilt back slightly into extension. Blossom experiences similar positional decompression relief when she tilts her head backwards into extension and her muscle strength improves. Extension of the neck can also relieve tethering of the brainstem and cord. For the same reason, many of you get Lehermitte type symptoms when you tilt your head forward into flexion. Flexion tensions the cord and decreases space on the front side of the cord. Blossom has bone spurs that protrude into that space. Flexing her neck pulls the cord up against those sharp spikes.

If you are interested I cover more on specific upper cervical dura and pia mater meningeal connections on my foramen magnum page. The meningeal connections can cause tethering and deformation of the brainstem and cord.

http://www.upright-health.com/foramen-magnum.html

Uprightdoc,

The following is my very first blog over a year ago, I am glad I have stuck to what I believe.

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Thursday, 7 October 2010
my mess
Hi!

I was diagnosed, in 2000 of having MS (Multiple schlerosis). This was based on a positive MRI.

Today this diagnosis I totally refute 100%. I have declined to enter any current NHS system that exists regarding this condition, which I now believe has been embelished and added to over the years to the definition that exists today.

Somebody once questioned me via the mss website, "so you know more than a neurologist do you?" not that I answered this publicaly at the time. But as regards to my own body and it's reactions to various situations, (particularly stress,) then yes I do.

I have observed every move and every reaction I have had over the last years.

I did attend an NHS physio a couple of years ago, she was trying to get me to raise my legs, to which I explained, that, that wasn't going to happen until my upper body was right. She then resorted to performing accupuncture on me along the bladder line and continued to do so until my sessions ended. I experienced many small benefits, the main one being that my bladder increased in density. I did see an NHS neuro at the time to request further sessions, but this was refused, I could only access more physio if I got worse, (yeah made sense to me to) so I continued privately until progress ceased.

I then decided to visit a chiropractor. I have known for a long time, that I have a problem in my cervical spine which is the neck. I have done my own research on the implications of a misaligned atlas, I have been interested in a procedure Montel Williams had some years ago, Noel Battons example on a lady called Tiffany and on a Dr Windmans discriptions and diagram on the knock on effects that a misalligned Atlas is responsible for, there are remarkable similarities TN being one of them fatigue, nervous tension,knee pain, neck pain,arm pain, hip pain, lower back pain, sciatica numbness and fibromyalgia. Others are sinus problems asthma, tinnitus,allergies, balance problems.

I have been seeing a chiropractor called John, who is treating me as an individual, the ms diagnosis doesnt come into it, he doesn't believe in xrays either, which is good as some neck issues don't show up on xrays even an MRI. Since I have seen him I am aware that I am untwisting and gradually straightening, no I can't walk yet, but I expect to and I know that I will, but it took me 9 years to get this twisted, it is not going to happen over night but it will.

I have thrown the ms rule book out and I am finding answers, my Dad did a lot of engine maintenance and D.I.Y. things don't work for a reason, I have found my reason.

Just some other points, the bladder meridian (acupuncture speak) runs down the spine and the right leg if you correspond the points to the problem areas of Dr Windmans example, the concur. Also there are pressure points to consider, and the lymphatic system it all seems to relate and makes perfect sense of this whole big mess.
Also theres the mind body thing, which again causes a catch 22 the physical effects the psychological and the psychological effects the physical and it just continues, the stress gets bigger and never gets less and all it does is add to the mess.

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uprightdoc,

I forgot to say I had what i presumed was l'hermites, but has since gone

Hi Fee,
The three key areas of the practice of Applied Kinesiology (AK) in chiropractic are the mental, chemical and structural impact on health. The five factors of the intervertebral foramen (IVF) used in AK are: neurological, neurovascular, neurolymphatic, CSF and the meridians. Any of those factors can affect muscle function. They can also be used to strenthen muscles. Among other things, the bladder meridian corresponds with the paraspinal muscles and the autonomic nervous system. Tightness and spasms in the paraspinal muscles affect blood flow. They also affect the autonomic nervous system. Likewise, organ dysfunction affects the autonomic nervous system and other structures that can refer pain and cause spasms in the paraspinal muscles.

Uprightdoc,

Eyesight is another big factor for those diagnosed with ms, it they describe it as double vision in uk, but I had poor vision, fuzzy lack of clarity, it has improved big time, colours are much more vibrant.

Its slightly off, but I am supposed to wear glasses anyway

Hi, Fee and Dr F,
I would like to add to the picture of "MS" Fee has presented the ability of the body to repair and use alternative methods for transmitting 'electrical' signals.
The work done by Norman Doidge, MD, and his book 'The Brain that changes Itself' touches on this subject.
From my own experiences with symptoms that are changeable by time, movement and temperature as only three examples, I would like to add that we are assuming allot about what is happening in our bodies.
The work done on nerve transmission is proof in point. Within our brain, within the nerve pathways and the target nerve there are many alternatives available if there are function problems. fMRI is one tool that is showing us in real time what our brain is capable of doing, and that in itself is warning that we assume too much about what happens where in our bodies.
We had a simplistic idea of functions and interactions in our systems and time again we are finding that the concepts have been incorrect.
In disease such as the one named "MS", until technology has moved further into the unknown, we are guessing at what is happening.

And we need to keep pushing and talking to find answers.

Regards Nigel.

Nigel,


there is a song by Labi Siffre called "something inside so strong"

those of us that stand up and trust our beliefs it describes us so well, google and listen to it, it is truely inspireing.