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I have never accused anyone of having a closed mind. Those are your words not mine. I put the information out for all to see. We are all free to choose what we want to believe. If we choose correctly we get better. If you choose to believe the doctors that there is no cure for MS and you will have to be on drugs the rest of your life that is your choice. Many do not believe that lie and they get better. I do my best to avoid the MD's but will use the doctors as I feel appropriate. I will continue to go once a year for my blood work. Yes, all the information I have suggest doctors along with the drugs are bad for you health. Good luck with your drugs.

want2bike wrote:I have never accused anyone of having a closed mind. Those are your words not mine. I put the information out for all to see. We are all free to choose what we want to believe. If we choose correctly we get better. If you choose to believe the doctors that there is no cure for MS and you will have to be on drugs the rest of your life that is your choice. Many do not believe that lie and they get better. I do my best to avoid the MD's but will use the doctors as I feel appropriate. I will continue to go once a year for my blood work. Yes, all the information I have suggest doctors along with the drugs are bad for you health. Good luck with your drugs.

Hmmm....you accuse members of not reading your links and when they suggest that you read their links you say that you are not going to waste your time reading the lies of their posts!! Now if that isn't having a closed mind!

Now let me see if I get this straight...you say that the docs are lying when they say that there is no cure for MS. Can you show me the cure because I'm sure all the readers on this board would be more than interested!

And I guess you will after all visit one of these lying docs as you feel appropriate to do so. Gee...why would you ever trust your health to a doc whom you state is "bad for your health." I often wonder what you would do if you got bitten by a dog who had rabies. You would probably have to go to one of those lying, bad for your health docs and then have to make a decision on whether to have the rabies vaccine. Good luck with your decision.

Just one question W2B:
With your healthy lifestyle, and you only visiting an MD once a year for bloodwork, how did you find out that you have MS?
Oh, maybe you don't have MS after all - you are just here to attack the medical community and the big drug companies.

I note that you have not answered the question about this "Cure for MS that is being withheld".
But then, your responses have been very selective. You say that Doctors kill people, but you quote one after another. As in:
Let Dr X show you how ...
Let Dr Y tell you why ...
Watch this video (on the website of DR Z)
And we have a Dr who makes a living dumping on the rest of his chosen profession.
We have a Dr who is actually a chiropractor, and not an MD
We have a Dr who runs a major supplement business (You mean that you did not realize that many supplements are actually drugs?).
You gave a go at Aspirin - but this has a totally natural origin. I would far rather that the 75mg Aspirin I take every day for my heart condition was synthesized in a lab, than cooked up as an infusion of willow bark, by the tribal shaman over an open fire in a cast iron pot.

Now tell us do you really have MS and why have you not cured yourself?

Geoff

When I use the term doctor I am refer to the MD not the OD. Chiropractors treat the disease not the symptoms. I post the success of Dr. Bergman many times because these are the real healers. The problem we have with the OD is our government does not consider them health care providers. That goes to show how interested they are in you getting your health back. If you go to the OD it does not seem to be covered by health insurance. For sure if I were still sick I would pay the money to see and OD but that does not seem to be the problem for me anymore. The information on recovering your health is on the internet and you just have to do it.

I was at a party dancing about 6 years ago and got dizzy, double vision and felt faint so my friend took me to the emergency room. At first they suspected symptoms of a stroke but couldn't find anything. One of the doctors who did some reflex testing said I showed symptoms of MS in my lower body. That was the only clue to what I had. I had never heard of MS and knew nothing about it. When I visited my PCP he explained it was just symptoms of old age and I would have to learn to live with it. My symptoms were dead feelings in my toes, pins and needles running up my arm, nausea, dizziness, pain in my stomach, muscle spasms in my back and fatigue syndrome. I found Dr. Swanks web site and started his diet. Still wasn't getting better so on further investigation found that mercury in teeth give same symptoms as MS. How could this be since the FDA allows the ADA to put this poison in our mouths. Goes to show what can happen when you listen to the wrong people. I found Tom McGuire's web site and order his book for detoxification. I started taking the supplement recommended for detox and within a week I was feeling great. I realized it was my teeth making me sick so I had it taken care of by a mercury free dentist. It cost me around $10,000 and it is not covered by insurance either. Goes to show how the government wants you to get your health back. I always wonder how many people out there have mercury poisoning and think the have MS because some doctor told them that is the way it is. Just take the drugs and we will make you comfortable until you destroy your immune system or liver and you die. Going to a doctor because they are covered by insurance may not be the best thing to do.

Dr. Bergman explains to us all disease is caused by toxicity or deficiency. That is why the diet we choose is so important along with not poisoning ourselves with the drugs and other things the people in authority want to give us. Each of us must determine the toxins we are exposed to and get rid of them. Eating the foods that were created by nature and not by man will give us the vitamins and minerals to do this. When you get the information and do the right thing you get well. If I had of listen to my PCP that my condition was old age I would still be taking the muscle relaxers and blood pressure medicine given to me and living a miserable life waiting to die. Actually there was a point when I wanted to die. I never want to go there again. I hate to think there is anyone that sick and that is why I put the information out for all to see. It would be criminal knowing what I know and not sharing it. If I can just help one person that is enough. Not sure why anyone would think it wrong for others to have the information. If you believe drugs are the answer give the people all the good information about taking drugs. I will post the information as to why they shouldn't take the drugs.

http://www.osteopathic.org/osteopathic- ... fault.aspx

http://dentalwellness4u.com/products/books.html

http://orbisvitae.com/ubbthreads/ubbthr ... wdpWsKYbIU

want2bike,
Thanks for the links, I agree mostly with what you are saying. I wish I never let my dr. talk me into DMDs, they
made me very sick, they were dreadful. But that was my choice. I've been off them for about 5yrs. now. I still have m.s., but it was such a huge relief to discontinue them.

Chiropractors treat the disease not the symptoms.

Some do but some do not. I know of some chiropractors who have actually damaged some patients. I go to one and she is excellent but she too knows of some who she would not trust. Following your logic, I could make the statement that all chiropractors are liars and dangerous to your health but that would be absurd...just as your comment about docs was.

When I visited my PCP he explained it was just symptoms of old age and I would have to learn to live with it.

That comment to you was unprofessional and the doc was nothing less than a jerk for making it. Every profession, unfortunately, has its share of incompetent people but the good ones far outnumber the bad ones. You can't judge everyone by your experience with one of them.

l wasn't getting better so on further investigation found that mercury in teeth give same symptoms as MS

The science behind mercury fillings has been a debate for years. For every study that shows it can be dangerous you can find one that says the minute amounts that are involved are not dangerous to your health. Every dentist I've asked about it pretty much says the same thing...nothing conclusive but if you want the older style fillings removed then do it to ease your conscience. I don't think dentists use mercury fillings any longer.

Diet, exercise, the proper supplements and common sense will go a long way for your health. Trying to fix your ailments with a pill all the time won't work over the long haul. Information that you and others give on this site about the dangers of drugs is beneficial and welcomed. But saying all doctors are liars and bad for your health is about as ridiculous a statement as one can make.

I am talking about the system. The MD's practice what they have been taught. They are just taught the drugs. If you have found a good doctor good for you. The only doctors I have found in the medical system want to put me on drugs. Maybe they are not evil. Could be they are just ignorant. If your doctor tell you about the side effects of a drug when they prescribe a drug that is great. I have never had a doctor explain the side effects of a drug to me. The last time I saw a doctor about a problem I ask her about the side effects of a drug. She seemed very upset that I would even ask that question. That is the system we have. The system for chiropractic medicine is different. It is set up to treat the cause of disease not the symptoms. Most of the information I have found on the internet is given by chiropractor and it usually involves nutrition. It is possible to get some stupid chiropractors but the system is set up different than the system which trains the MD's.

The dentist is the wrong person to ask about the mercury fillings. The ADA has taught them that mercury is perfectly healthy inside the mouth. If it is outside the mouth it is a poison but inside the mouth it is perfectly safe. I have never heard any thing so stupid. Mercury effects the nervous system and I wonder how many are walking around with some autoimmune disease because of mercury in their mouth. It was not easy for me to find a mercury free dentist and they are not covered by insurance. The ADA doesn't care how sick we are they do not want to change the system. The ADA does not like for dentist to say bad things about amalgams and they take their license away. Whether they are evil or ignorant I don't know but anyone who believes putting a neurotoxin inside of someone's mouth is not a good person. One thing I know for sure is they made me very sick and I don't need a study to tell me that. Once I understood what was making me sick and eliminated it along with good nutrition I got better. That is my story and it is not a placebo effect.

want2bike wrote:I am talking about the system. The MD's practice what they have been taught. They are just taught the drugs. If you have found a good doctor good for you. The only doctors I have found in the medical system want to put me on drugs.

Again, unfortunate for you that you have run into docs with such a limited range of thought. Many think outside of the the teaching box and are much better docs for it.

I have never had a doctor explain the side effects of a drug to me. The last time I saw a doctor about a problem I ask her about the side effects of a drug. She seemed very upset that I would even ask that question. That is the system we have.

The system can only be as good as those who work in it. Any doc that would be upset at being asked about a drug's side effect is a sad case! In the past I have had to brow beat a couple of docs into changing their thinking process about my wife's MS. Fortunately they did but I should not have had to resort to that tactic. But regardless of the bad experiences I've had with docs, I would never state that all docs are liars and bad for your health. Some are but fortunately they are not in the majority by any stretch of the imagination.

The system for chiropractic medicine is different. It is set up to treat the cause of disease not the symptoms. Most of the information I have found on the internet is given by chiropractor and it usually involves nutrition. It is possible to get some stupid chiropractors but the system is set up different than the system which trains the MD's.

Yes, it is set up differently but as we know that doesn't prevent some bad ones from practising.

The dentist is the wrong person to ask about the mercury fillings. The ADA has taught them that mercury is perfectly healthy inside the mouth.

Don't know about that. My dentist (in Canada) doesn't have that all knowing attitude. He has read the science on both sides and has an open enough mind to discuss it with the patient and asks the patient to make a decision that makes him/her comfortable.

Obviously I will never convince you of the mercury hazard. If the dentist uses the stuff he is either evil or stupid. Do you think all the sick people who get better when the mercury comes out is a lie? Do you think I am lying to you when I tell you my story? The science knows this but the ADA will not accept it. Best to stop supporting these dentist. Get a dentist who understands the hazards of mercury and does not use the stuff.

want2bike wrote:Obviously I will never convince you of the mercury hazard. If the dentist uses the stuff he is either evil or stupid. Do you think all the sick people who get better when the mercury comes out is a lie? Do you think I am lying to you when I tell you my story? The science knows this but the ADA will not accept it. Best to stop supporting these dentist. Get a dentist who understands the hazards of mercury and does not use the stuff.

There you go again, jumping to conclusions and making broad and general statements because that's what you believe. I grew up in the old school of dentistry and over the years had many mercury fillings. I am as healthy as one could expect for my age so the mercury didn't have a negative effect on me. But I don't go around based on my experience and say that mercury is safe for fillings and claim that the people who say so are liars. I prefer to listen to both sides of a debate and read the science behind it and then make my decision.

You continue to call medical people who don't agree with you either evil or stupid. Your comments say a lot about your personality and I feel there are other issues involved here. Just my opinion but I detect a level of anger and frustration that's taken some time to build to the level that you are at.

Disagree, give all the opinions you want but to resort to name calling and accusations does shine well on you.

Back to the original topic of this thread...


FDA Agrees to Start Testing Generic Drugs - Huge Victory for Patients!
http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/2014/02/ ... -patients/

Without admitting that there is a problem with generic drugs, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has just announced that it is initiating a $20 million testing program. The FDA's new Office of Pharmaceutical Quality will scrutinize generic drugs, over-the-counter medications and brand name products in an effort to improve quality.

This is an incredible about-face by the FDA and a huge victory for patients. It is also a testimony to the thousands of stories people have shared on this and other web sites about their problems with generic drugs. In particular, the FDA admits that the new testing program evolved in part from the discovery that a generic version of Wellbutrin XL 300 (Budeprion XL 300 from Teva) was not bioequivalent to the brand name. That was a direct result of hundreds of patient reports on this website.

The FDA still states on its website that:

"All generic manufacturing, packaging, and testing sites must pass the same quality standards as those of brand name drugs, and the generic products must meet the same exacting specifications as any brand name product."

The drug companies are probably not happy with the generic and the more they can keep off the market the better. Guess if the drug company has it's patented drug made in China it is not a problem. When I look at the FDA's record I would not trust anything they say. They are just an official arm of the drug companies. What they really want to stop is the companies making our vitamins and supplements. They hate to see us taking too many vitamins and supplements. They would like for everything to be a prescription so their friend in Big Pharma can make more money. When I think of the FDA I am reminded of the saying; Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me. I have been fooled too many times by these jokers and do not trust them anymore. If they were doing their job properly they would not let drugs on the market which kill people. No, just because the FDA is on the watch that does not mean the drug is safe.

http://www.anh-usa.org/fda-new-sneak-at ... pplements/

So just when NHE had the thread back on track, we have a conspiracy fundamentalist trying to preach the same gospel of the evil Big Pharma. If only Leon Festinger was still alive - he would soon find the next Mrs Keech right here.

NHE mentioned Teva, who just happen to be the company who make Copaxone. It's only about 15 months since Teva tried to slow down the introduction of of a new DMT drug, because it might interfere with Copaxone sales. More recently, I seem to recall that Teva are "testing" a new version of Copaxone that will only have to be injected every two days - if they are successful, that will mean a new patent (translates as $$$$$).

Anyone who really believes in "Big Pharma" should really try and get their head round the simple fact that most of the major pharmaceutical manufacturers will try to cut each other's commercial throats (given just half a chance) long before they bother about anyone else.

Stop the companies making vitamins and supplements? Really? You should stop reading your own posts! Who do you think makes most of those vitamins and supplements? Not the name on the jar, that's for sure.

Geoff

want2bike wrote:The drug companies are probably not happy with the generic and the more they can keep off the market the better. Guess if the drug company has it's patented drug made in China it is not a problem. When I look at the FDA's record I would not trust anything they say. They are just an official arm of the drug companies. What they really want to stop is the companies making our vitamins and supplements. They hate to see us taking too many vitamins and supplements. They would like for everything to be a prescription so their friend in Big Pharma can make more money. When I think of the FDA I am reminded of the saying; Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me. I have been fooled too many times by these jokers and do not trust them anymore. If they were doing their job properly they would not let drugs on the market which kill people. No, just because the FDA is on the watch that does not mean the drug is safe.

http://www.anh-usa.org/fda-new-sneak-at ... pplements/

You talk about "Big Pharma," but you could just as well talk about "Big Supplement." The supplement industry is a multi-billion dollar a year business, and it is unregulated. You can buy a bottle of pills, and you have no idea what your're getting - and the supplement manufacturers spent millions lobbying Congress to make it so. You hate the FDA, and don't trust it - why do you trust a company selling you a bottle of pills? Do you chemically test them yourself?

I suggest you read a book called "Do You Believe in Magic", but Paul Offit.

But I'm curious - you were never diagnosed with MS, correct? Why do you spend so much time on a website dedicated to people suffering from MS, spouting nonsense?

If you have been reading my post you know my story so why ask? I would like to see people get their health back and that is done if you get the correct information. Not sure why me posting information is so upsetting to you. The FDA made me very sick so I think other should be aware of what they are doing. If you want to believe that the FDA is going to make the drugs safe that is your choice. They do not have a good record.