80% it's true revisited

[Billmeik]

can't find the old thread but zamboni says it again in this talk




I downloaded ziv's speech and I took screenshots of the data but I stiill don't see it.

[Sotiris]

can't find the old thread but zamboni says it again in this talk




I downloaded ziv's speech and I took screenshots of the data but I stiill don't see it.

It is in page 28 of Ziv's presentation:

54,55% to 63,64% for PP
89,47% for Relapsing SP
67,21% to 77,05% for non-relapsing SP

[Billmeik]

[scorpion]

Why is the post entitled 80%?

[Billmeik]

I still get much less than 80 but there is no category for cis either.

[Billmeik]

Why is the post entitled 80%

if you look at the zamboni speech he says that buffalo gets more than 80% if you take out the cis.

As was being suggested in the first version of this thread. ( if someone with better eyesight can dig that up)

[ttt1]

"..of people with Relapsing Remitting and with Secondary Progressive that was at the base of our study..."

(Relapsing SP + Non relapsing SP)(CCSVI) / (Relapsing SP + Non relapsing SP)(Total - Borderline) = (17+41)/(19+61-6) = 78.37% plus a tiny bit more to exclude Pediatric MS ?
Secondary Progressive was the base of Zamboni's study ?

[Billmeik]

ya that sounds right.

http://www.thisisms.com/ftopict-10255-.html


found the original thread

[Sotiris]

"..of people with Relapsing Remitting and with Secondary Progressive that was at the base of our study..."

(Relapsing SP + Non relapsing SP)(CCSVI) / (Relapsing SP + Non relapsing SP)(Total - Borderline) = (17+41)/(19+61-6) = 78.37% plus a tiny bit more to exclude Pediatric MS ?
Secondary Progressive was the base of Zamboni's study ?

And if instead of excluding the borderline we include it as CCSVI we do have:
(17+41+6)/(19+61)=80%

[frodo]

"..of people with Relapsing Remitting and with Secondary Progressive that was at the base of our study..."

(Relapsing SP + Non relapsing SP)(CCSVI) / (Relapsing SP + Non relapsing SP)(Total - Borderline) = (17+41)/(19+61-6) = 78.37% plus a tiny bit more to exclude Pediatric MS ?
Secondary Progressive was the base of Zamboni's study ?

And if instead of excluding the borderline we include it as CCSVI we do have:
(17+41+6)/(19+61)=80%

I would say that the correct procedure would be not to include borderlines neither in one group nor the other, and not to include in any group either the CIS cases. I think that doing this two things the numbers were again close to 80%

[Billmeik]

this is important to me because I felt a little brow beaten when we were talking about this last month. I was right!

[Asher]

A layman's observation: Having watched the Zamboni talk and tables it looks to me like the Buffalo sample was pretty contaminated; CIS, siblings, geriatric patients... A missed opportunity given the resources that were thrown at it.

[costumenastional]

The ONLY way for someone to tell if there is CCSVI for sure is via plebography. Doppler and MRVs are often wrong. They could easily show CCSVI or not but only the surgeon will tell you what's going on IF anything. I dont think that Zivadinov or anyone else can publish correct results without going in. They are just trying to push to the right direction using what they are allowed to use.
Dont mind about these numbers. Just try to have a plebography done.

[Vhoenecke]

I don't know all the terms all I know is I was liberated April 28 in Poland and I feel really great. Could you tell me what a plebograph is? I had an MRV the night before my procedure and a dopler the morning of my procedure. The doppler showed I had issues in both the left and right side but the actual procedure showed only the right side. I could always feel where my stenosis was and I would point to the place ever since Zamboni was on TV in my country. On the table they showed me what they did on the CD after they were done the procedure and I asked the doctor if the spot I had been pointing to for 5 months was correct. Yes it was. I think the only test that really tells what's up is the procedure, the MRV did show as well.

All the best.

Val

[costumenastional]

Val, the vlebography/angiography is the procedure

Once they go in it is called like this and if they dilate a balloon or place a stent it becomes angioplasty. (PTA - PERCUTANEOUS TRANSLUMINAL ANGIOGRAPHY)

shit... how come everybody feels better xcept me...