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griff, the point of the article is still the point be it veins or arteries. i agree with you. no bashing just pointing out things. that maybe some of us wish we would have researched better. because early on i was takeing it that-ok if i restenose they just go back and open it up again-no big deal. WRONG it is big deal if your vein becomes so damaged you loose it. now, you not only have these symptoms they named ms but you could be in bigger trouble and not a quick departure from this world as a heart attack but something else added to your misery.[/
I agree with you blossom. When I started reading these threads here in tims I thought that it is a forum that tries to help MS patients to make a better decision regarding CCSVI operation, so I can get info on risks and benefits. Now, sometimes I feel that it is only a marketing tool to promote CCSVI operations and nothing can be said about potential complications and risks involved. Before I had any surgery I would try to collect info on what are the risks and potential benefits of that surgery. Here, most of the people paint a rosy picture about the operation and I do not know what is their aim with that. It is also the responsibility of the IRs who do not mention any of these risk factors to us when we consider the operation. I agree with Rici who said that angioplasty is not for eveyone, just like with other surgeries, some patients should be advised not to go for it or wait a little bit.
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And this is what many people think: Why live with such an important insufficient vein? Why not try to bring the cerebral flow and perfusion back to normal?
Now, having gone through the operation I have some questions about it:
- Is our current situation of veins really that bad? Lots of healthy people have this abnormalities according to the Buffalo study
- What is abnormail with veins is not clear. Even vascular specialists do not agree on this. Vein system is very specific for each person.
- If we treat these conditions shouldn't we care about safty? Just because we have MS we are not experimental rats.
- No one questions that angioplasty should be an option for MS patients, but patients should be well advised by IRs about the potentiol risks and benefits. I see that we have high expectations for benefits but low expectations for risk. That is due to unfair informations by IRs involved in CCSVI operation.
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You cannot compare arterial TPA of very small coronary ARTERIES with large venous procedures. S
Size, pressure and wall anatomy are completely different.
Yes, that is true, but then if I follow your logic, we can not compare veins in our legs to veins in our neck. IRs involved in CCSVI do that.
As IRs have no experience with IJVs and azygos the only thing they can do is to compare this procedure to their experiences with arteries and other veins. If scarring is a big deal with arteries and other veins, why haven't IRs involved in CCSVI operation raise this issue as a potential risk factor? We have already experienced it.
All said, I have some concerns about the effectiveness of the CCSVI operations after reading this article. Veins are even more elastic so nothing can keep them in their new position (except for the unwanted stents) and trauma to the vein wall is also present here. There are also valves involved whose roles are still unclear today.
And even if we can complete the angioplasty well, one question remains open and that is the result. This is comparing those patients with a risk of heart attack who went thorugh angioplasty to those who did not:
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After five years, researchers found no significant difference in rates of death, heart attack, or other major events.