AtlasBalance (jaw misalignment) Dr M Amir - Putney London UK

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Re: AtlasBalance (jaw misalignment) Dr M Amir - Putney Londo

Postby Amir » Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:47 am

Thekla wrote:Very interesting. I know I don't fully understand it but raynauds got my attention. I didn't have any problems with raynauuds this past winter, since ccsvi. I wonder if that is another positive outcome? It seems to me that this could be another thing to check. Also, my left hand involvement started with the 5th, 4th and half of the 3rd digits. The 5th is still markedly weaker than the 2nd. But then they say there isn't much of a connection with lower limbs/proprioception so it is still only another puzzle piece, imho.

I assume that there could be TOS/ms with atlas problems as well and definitely with dental distress. I guess there is still the question of whether ms exists as an entity or whether it is simply a cumulative series of unfortunate events.


My experience with correcting just the Atlas in a few hundred cases resolved issues of Raynaud's phenomenon. I have commented about this in these threads previously.

Many neck, shoulder, arm digit etc. pains and numbness resolve by correcting the jaws. This article also mentions that bladder control did not significantly improve but correcting the jaw and Atlas invariably corrects this problem.

I think most patients have a jaw and Atlas asymmetry and a few may have TOS possibly obviating the diagnosis of MS!
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Postby Balanced » Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:23 am

Its use is limited in the absence of full orthodontic retreatment and infact very dangerous.


Hmm. I certainly would like to see you instead of trying to fix things on my own... I tried to find a website for your office and the "consultation form" you mentioned earlier this year for international patients, but couldn't find it. Could you point me in the right direction?
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Postby Amir » Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:05 am

Balanced wrote:
Its use is limited in the absence of full orthodontic retreatment and infact very dangerous.


Hmm. I certainly would like to see you instead of trying to fix things on my own... I tried to find a website for your office and the "consultation form" you mentioned earlier this year for international patients, but couldn't find it. Could you point me in the right direction?


USA patients are well advised to seek treatment through dentists registered with:
http://www.iaortho.com/news_aafo_iao.aspx

You can usually find an orthodontist in your home state or city through this link who is well versed in correcting previous extraction orthodontic cases.

I cannot accept patients from across the pond for legal reasons.
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Re: AtlasBalance (jaw misalignment) Dr M Amir - Putney Londo

Postby Balanced » Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:58 pm

USA patients are well advised to seek treatment through dentists registered with:
http://www.iaortho.com/news_aafo_iao.aspx You can usually find an orthodontist in your home state or city through this link who is well versed in correcting previous extraction orthodontic cases.

I cannot accept patients from across the pond for legal reasons.


Does it make a difference legally if I am in a Commonwealth country? - Canada

I followed my grandmother's decline with MS, and I see some of the same health issues coming up for me. Do you know of anyone qualified to treat the whole system here in North America? To date, I only find people who treat one particular aspect. Of all the forms of treatment I have investigated, yours makes the most sense. I've consulted functional orthodontists here. Explored biobloc treatment - even went down to see North American expert, Dr. Hang, near L.A. who was mentored by John Mew, but he could only recommend surgery to bring the lower jaw forward in an adult (their system is for children). There is Dr. Belfor in New York (homeoblock) but his system doesn't address the expansion needed for my lower jaw. No one seems to offer the whole package, including Atlasbalance. I guess there is no one to train them.... As you can see, I have explored a lot of avenues already. Sigh.

Didn't know about the possibility of legal issues, usually you sign a consent form which covers all that. Is there a way to remedy this legal problem? I was so happy to have found you... I already got the family excited about going to London to see the dentist (my 2 daughters have significant issues so I was going to get a consultation for all 3 of us). Don't even know what it would cost... but that is what bank loans are for - I've learned that there is no price tag on one's health... Already witnessed my grandmother's suffering with MS. She was so active and full of life before MS... makes me sad. We would have sold all we had to cure her. I don't want to go down that same path - she died relatively young and we miss her.

Would appreciate advice...
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Re: AtlasBalance (jaw misalignment) Dr M Amir - Putney Londo

Postby Balanced » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:56 am

Dr Amir sent me an email this evening. It appears that with the best of intentions my thread explaining this particular type of treatment to those with MS (and other conditions) has become a bit of a victim of it's own success.

As a result Amir is getting snowed under with requests of help, particularly from America. Amir has asked me to post the following statement:-

The diagnosis and treatment is very complex and Dr Amir has developed a certain protocol and he is in the process of making courses ready for doctors to sign up and get qualified to take on the treatment of ME/CFS/FM/IBS/MS and patients suffering from many more aches and pains and psychological issues.

It is not something that can be explained over the phone. A system to diagnose and give advice after uploading a number of different records will also be available late in January 2012 whereby the patients can obtain a diagnosis and advice and perhaps the first appliance to be fitted by their dentists to alleviate the worst of patient symptoms and put them on the road to recovery. You can register your interest with Dr Amir at amir2647@msn.com.


I've been reading through the old posts... do you have a training program for international dentists? If so, I think my dentist would be interested - he is always doing continuing education. He would just need more detail...

Otherwise, we would be interested in getting a first appliance fitted (as mentioned above) if it would be possible without "legal issues".

I have also found on the web that there is an Atlasprofilax practitioner in my area. Would it help to go get 1 adjustment or would it be useless without balancing the jaw? Chicken or egg?
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Re: AtlasBalance (jaw misalignment) Dr M Amir - Putney Londo

Postby EJC » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:02 am

Balanced wrote:
I have also found on the web that there is an Atlasprofilax practitioner in my area. Would it help to go get 1 adjustment or would it be useless without balancing the jaw? Chicken or egg?


This bit I can answer.

When Emma first went to see Amir her Atlas was misaligned. We'd seen a chiropractor twice in the previous 6 weeks and he'd had to align it each time.

Amir also confimred the misalignement. After three months of Amir's appliances the atlas is now in the correct position without any manipulation.

There's no point addressing the C1 misaligment (symptom) without addressing the cause (jaw/teeth problems).

We were at Amir's yesterday and I was asking him about the legal issues he brought up in this post. What Amir does is not recognised in America, it's considered alternative completely. It's not even considered off label so there's a potential can of worms. That's only part of the issue though.

I can only explain the treatment as it's been provided to Emma, but there' no one size fits all solution to each persons problems. Sure the theroy is relatively constant but the practice is so individual to each patient it would simply take years to master, it seems that why so few people are capable of the treatment.

For the first few weeks of treatment Emma was visiting every 7 to 10 days for adjustments and new appliances, we live 45 minutes drive away and that's a nuisance. Can you imagine the logistics of trying to do that from America?

It is terribly frustrating as someone who sees what Amir achieves. The results are astonishing and I feel I should be shouting from the roof tops and on every morning TV program about how it's improving Emma's life (along with at least another 20 patients who we're in regular contact with). But it's one man in Putney providing the treatment, not a global team of surgeons carrying out mass procedures. So there's a part of me that doesn't want him inundated as he's not a young man (sorry Amir!) and I'd like to make sure he's around long enough to see Emma's treatment through to it's conclusion (which could be a number of years) without lots of undue stress.

I guess that sounds a little selfish, which it is really.

However I'm sure Amir is doing what he can to expand the knowledge he posseses. His two sons are both in the same business and both in America, but both currently reluctant to offer the treatment due to Americas love of litigation. That's the real chicken and egg issue.
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Re: AtlasBalance (jaw misalignment) Dr M Amir - Putney Londo

Postby CureOrBust » Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:30 am

EJC wrote:I can only explain the treatment as it's been provided to Emma, but there' no one size fits all solution to each persons problems. Sure the theroy is relatively constant but the practice is so individual to each patient it would simply take years to master, it seems that why so few people are capable of the treatment.
Forgive me for not remembering this full thread, but is there anyone else apart from Amir, capable of providing this treatment?
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Re: AtlasBalance (jaw misalignment) Dr M Amir - Putney Londo

Postby EJC » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:04 am

CureOrBust wrote:
EJC wrote:I can only explain the treatment as it's been provided to Emma, but there' no one size fits all solution to each persons problems. Sure the theroy is relatively constant but the practice is so individual to each patient it would simply take years to master, it seems that why so few people are capable of the treatment.
Forgive me for not remembering this full thread, but is there anyone else apart from Amir, capable of providing this treatment?


There are certainly people who manage parts of the treatment, but I'm not aware of anyone who offers the same extensive treatement as Amir which essentially combines different skills. It's this combination that seems to be lacking in many medical treatments (not just what we're all searching for).
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Re: AtlasBalance (jaw misalignment) Dr M Amir - Putney Londo

Postby Thekla » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:20 pm

It seems very much like the ccsvi in a way to me. First there needs to be enough case studies to justify publishing an article. Then, the process has to be duplicatable by others which would lead to more published articles and studies. (and also opposition) It still takes time to get an idea to be accepted, even if it works perfectly every time. Think about Dr Schelling and how many years he was put down and ignored before one doctor, Dr. Zamboni took him seriously. And even with attention around the globe, ccsvi is still not accepted. Dr Amir needs to be able to collect enough data to publish a serious detailed article before the process can move forward internationally. I do expect that there are other doctors who will begin on this same path. There are some who really do want to heal, not just sell drugs. But just as Zamboni couldn't treat every international patient, neither can Dr Amir. Actually it is more difficult for Amir since his treatments take months and frequent visits.

So I think the best hope is for Dr Amir to be able to teach other interested doctors his theories and procedures and let them treat their local patients and learn. But the process takes time, time that none of us really have. It is hard to wait for the wheels of academia to turn. But we have seen that the internet makes many things possible today so there is hope.
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Re: AtlasBalance (jaw misalignment) Dr M Amir - Putney Londo

Postby EJC » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:49 am

^That's a pretty good summary really.

Add to that that Amir really doesn't have the time to devote to teaching other professionals, he is innundated with patients all wanting his treatment.

The waiting room was heaving on Thursday this week, the majority of whom were PwMS.

Even if Amir did collect data on all his "MS" patients (the longest of whom will have been 10+ years now) consider all the nonsence he'd have to deal with with the naysauers and Neuros, then the requirement for double blind studies and reporting and another 5 to 10 years of scruitiny.

If I were faced with that, I'd probably forget it too and concentrate on making people better, which is exactly what he does.
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Re: AtlasBalance (jaw misalignment) Dr M Amir - Putney Londo

Postby Faceache1 » Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:54 am

Hello,

I have atypical trigeminal neuralgia (that is neuropathic pain in my facial nerves) on both sides of my face as well as dizziness, ear pain, fatigue, neck and shoulder pain and spasming muscles in my shoulders, neck and face. My memory and concentration are not great and My lower back and pelvis have been a mess for years!

All this started after I had 2 molars removed and another tooth banded in the space of a few weeks.

I was searching for something that linked the dental work with the face and neck and neuro symptoms and when I read about Dr Amir his work made perfect sense to me.

The scary part is that TN gives you very sensitive teeth so the idea of treatment which involves my mouth is very scary.

Having said that my doctor and neuro say that many of my symptoms aside from the facial pain don't fit with TN and want me to fill myself with drugs designed for epilepsy and depression and ask no questions.

I am awaiting a more detailed brain scan after a dot showed up on my brain stem and i have been prepared for a possible MS diagnosis. TN does have link to MS. Even if that's not the case I am left with all the symptoms which seem to be steadily getting worse.

Nothing seems to help. Even my trusty chiropractic sessions seem to aggravate it!

I am seeing Dr Amir in November and hope that his treatment will at the least alleviate some of the issues. I would love to know if anyone has seen him for jaw/ facial pain and how it worked out.

Thanks and a happy, pain free day to you all :smile:
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Re: AtlasBalance (jaw misalignment) Dr M Amir - Putney Londo

Postby gibbledygook » Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:13 am

I went to see Dr Amir yesterday and he said that he only treated patients who are off all immune modulating medications. I'm not sure that I really understand the basis for this request.
3 years antibiotics, 06/09 bilateral jug stents at C1, 05/11 ballooning of both jug valves, 07/12 stenting of renal vein, azygos & jug valve ballooning,
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Re: AtlasBalance (jaw misalignment) Dr M Amir - Putney Londo

Postby Amir » Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:50 am

gibbledygook wrote:I went to see Dr Amir yesterday and he said that he only treated patients who are off all immune modulating medications. I'm not sure that I really understand the basis for this request.

I think it is important for patients to do one thing at a time. If a patient is having chiropractic treatment plus my treatment they will never know what is making them better or worse. Therefore to be fair on themselves they should restrict to single therapies at a time. In your case whatever medication you are taking. If it heals you well and good if it does not then I am always there to help but I do not accept patients who are undergoing treatment from multiple disciplines.
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Re: AtlasBalance (jaw misalignment) Dr M Amir - Putney Londo

Postby EJC » Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:23 am

gibbledygook wrote:I went to see Dr Amir yesterday and he said that he only treated patients who are off all immune modulating medications. I'm not sure that I really understand the basis for this request.


Emma was on Copaxone up to and including CCSVI treatment.

When she started treatment with Amir she stopped all drugs (which wasn't a difficult decision).

The fundamental reasoning Amir has already explained, how do you know what is helping if you're doing multiple things at any one time?

Neither Emma or myself are fans of DMD of any description, being 15 years into MS we've worked out that Pharma are peddling these "wonder drugs" on no other basis than making money. In fact I'd go as far as to say they are probably killing more people than they could ever possibly help - in my opinion of course.

Go and see Amir, it will change your life for the better.
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Re: AtlasBalance (jaw misalignment) Dr M Amir - Putney Londo

Postby gibbledygook » Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:29 am

Yes, but beta interferon never makes anyone better. It stops 33% of relapses.
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