Researcher - Multiple Sclerosis Is Not an Immune Disease

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Re: Researcher - Multiple Sclerosis Is Not an Immune Disease

Postby cheerleader » Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:23 pm

I know this is OT, but I wanted to chime in, since I love liver-talk. Liver function is essential for good health. The liver creates the super antioxidant, glutathione. It was Jeff's high liver enzymes at his first flare that started my search into the blood and's a note I wrote on Facebook last year. Sorry it's so long...

When Jeff was diagnosed with MS, one of his strange blood results was that his liver enzymes, AST and ALT, were 10 times higher than normal. He was slightly jaundiced and his eyes were a bit yellow. It looked like he had liver disease, and his neurologist assumed he drank too much alcohol...but Jeff didn't drink. So I did some research, and learned that high liver enzymes happened in those w/MS---even before taking any drugs.

Over a two-year period, there was an over three-fold increased risk of a person with MS having an elevated liver test result compared to expectations. An elevated test result indicates that liver enzymes have leaked out of their cells. This leakage into the blood stream may be an indicator of liver cell damage.

Here's the abstract---this described my husband to a T

The risk of an abnormal liver test in 813 patients with multiple sclerosis or clinically isolated syndrome enrolled in placebo arms of clinical trials was greater than expected for alanine aminotransferase (ALT) (relative risk [RR] 3.7; 95% CI: 2.3 to 6.0) and aspartate aminotransferase (AST) (RR 2.2; 95% CI: 1.3 to 3.6), although not alkaline phosphatase (AP) or total bilirubin, at first presentation. Abnormal test results were associated with higher body mass index (ALT only), male gender (ALT only), and a relapsing-remitting (vs secondary-progressive) course (ALT and AST only).


So, why would liver damage be linked to MS flares??? What the heck was going on? This is what began my search for connection, and how I created the Endothelial Health program. I believed then, and still do, that Jeff's system was overwhelmed--most likely by free radicals, toxins, viruses and low levels of oxygen. So overwhelmed, that his liver could not keep up. His blood was hypercoagulated, his inflammation numbers were thru the roof, his body wasn't functioning. And he didn't have steroids or copaxone in his system yet. He needed help! I started with the liver---

Milk thistle (Silybum marianum) has been used for 2,000 years as an herbal remedy for a variety of ailments, particularly liver, kidney, and gall bladder problems. Several scientific studies suggest that substances in milk thistle (especially a flavonoid called silymarin) protect the liver from toxins, including certain drugs such as acetaminophen (Tylenol), which can cause liver damage in high doses. Silymarin has antioxidant and anti-inflammatory properties, and it may help the liver repair itself by growing new cells.

The active ingredient -- the one that protects the liver -- in milk thistle is known as silymarin, a chemical extracted from the seeds. Silymarin is actually a group of flavonoids (silibinin, silidianin, and silicristin), which are thought to help repair liver cells damaged by alcohol and other toxic substances. Silymarin also keeps new liver cells from being destroyed by these same toxins. It reduces inflammation (which is why it is often suggested for people with liver inflammation or hepatitis) and is a strong antioxidant.

(Contraindications: Milk thistle is generally regarded as safe. Side effects are usually mild and may involve stomach upset and diarrhea. Some people may get a rash from touching milk thistle plants.
Milk thistle should not be used by pregnant or breastfeeding women.
People with a history of hormone related cancers, including breast, uterine, and prostate cancer, should not take milk thistle.
Do not take milk thistle if you are allergic to ragweed, chrysanthemums, marigolds, chamomile, yarrow, or daisies.) ... 000266.htm

Within 3 months of taking milk thistle supplements, Jeff's liver enzymes were back to normal--even though he was now on Copaxone and had taken steroids and tylenol during his first flare. He remains on milk thistle today. He takes it one week out of every month, for liver detoxification. And he's not yellow anymore :-)

I highly recommend pwMS keep tabs on their liver enzyme levels. We need functioning livers to deal with toxins and medications. We need functioning livers to create antioxidants to fight those free radicals damaging our cells.

The liver is essential for our health. Especially for those w/MS. Here is a study I found when I was searching for the connection between liver health and MS progression. A woman w/MS received a liver transplant (hers was failing) and her EDSS score went from 5.0 to 2.0, and her MS stopped progressing up to three years after the liver transplant. She now had a healthy liver, creating glutathione and antioxidants, to help her body heal. That will make you go hmmmmmmm.......

And to raise glutathione levels in your body naturally, also consider the supplements NAC and alpha-lipoic acid--both are precursors to glutathione.
So, love your liver. Treat it well. Not too much alcohol, or fatty foods, and watch the tylenol intake. Ask your doctor if milk thistle might be a good supplement for you. ... 1890857211
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Re: Researcher - Multiple Sclerosis Is Not an Immune Disease

Postby WeWillBeatMS » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:40 pm

Hi Cheer. Long time no speakie. Do you know of any whole foods (as opposed to the supplements) that might be good for encouraging the production of glutathione? By the way, there is a highly respected neurologist in SW Florida who gives his M.S. patient's an I.V. of glutathione when they are having an exacerbation.

I've got to tell you this whole, M.S. is actually a metabolic disorder stuff, has me feeling optimistic again.

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Re: Researcher - Multiple Sclerosis Is Not an Immune Disease

Postby ikulo » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:53 pm

Not really a whole food, but whey protein is probably the most effective way to increase your glutathione production.
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Re: Researcher - Multiple Sclerosis Is Not an Immune Disease

Postby se1956 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:25 am

There would be another way:
Living donor liver transplantation

An example:

MS father with a MS child.
Then in many cases one could use part of the liver of the mother to treat /cure? the MS child.

This would be a feasible way for a study and possible treatment.

But it's clearly a high risk surgery - risk for the donor approx. 5 death in 3000 transplantations.

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