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IP6?

Postby Merlyn » Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:28 pm

This product is mainly used to chelate iron, unbound iron and according to Bill Sardi, it can chelate iron out of the arteries and out of the brain if used between meals... I have ordered some and waiting for it to arrive Usually arteries get blocked by calcium, not iron! We must have abnormal iron metabolism I would think, although everybody seems to be getting an overload of iron in the diet these days... my question is has anybody ever used this, it does not come up when I do a search any feedback would be appreciated!
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Postby Ruthless67 » Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:02 pm

Merlyn,

I find this IP6 information interesting, I hadn't heard about it before. Here's another web site, albiet, they're selling the stuff, but still interesting.
http://www.healthkingenterprise.com/v2/ ... fender.asp
This statement, in their sales pitch, if true, is of extreme interest to me. "Iron is the energy used by pathogenic bacteria, viruses and fungi. It is important to note that IP 6’s function to block iron is a significant player in destroying cancer cells that need iron to proliferate."

I'm still following my anti-candida diet (2 years now) because I feel a lot better on just the diet than I ever did on the Avonex. So if IP6 will help eliminate iron, the "energy" used by candida, I'm all for it. Healthy nutritional protocol is safe enough, but even nutritional supplements can be dangerous when not used correctly. But given what we are learning about the excess iron in our brains, the stenosis, etc. I’m willing to add yet another supplement to my arsenal. I like to call my supplements my “weapons of mass destruction” as related to my MS! :twisted:

I do find it interesting though in all my candida reading, I’ve not come across a reference to iron as an energy source for candida. I have read that sugar is candida’s main food source though. (And I’ve eliminated sugar from my diet now for the last 8 or so months.) And I believe I read something to the effect that Zamboni mentioned in his research how the iron was located all along the veins in the brain and that it was what was having the negative effects on our myelin. So thanks for the info, I’ll do a little more research on IP6 and talk with my doctor about adding it in the mix.
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Postby tzootsi » Mon Nov 30, 2009 4:44 pm

In looking into IP6, it appears to ALSO remove calcium, magnesium and zinc - three vital minerals, especially if you have ms. It might therefore be wise to just eat foods that contain some IP6 (such as sesame, brown rice, and almonds) instead of taking mega doses. Many ms patients feel calcium, magnesium and zinc supplements are a good idea.
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Postby Ruthless67 » Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:46 pm

tzootsi,
I already eat sesame seeds, brown rice, and almonds so I'm probably covered. Thanks for saving me the $'s.
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Postby Merlyn » Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:37 pm

One of the main health writers on IP6 is Bill Sardi, and he says that it has gotten the wrong reputation as an anti-nutrient. He wrote a book called The Iron Timebomb. But he touts the ability of phytic acid to chelate iron without affecting nutrient profile.

http://www.life-enthusiast.com/index/Ar ... Bill_Sardi

I have ordered this stuff but I am waiting for it to arrive. I live in Canada and I order a lot of my stuff from iHERB..com. So I cannot attest to it just yet, but I am very much looking forward to trying it.

One in six Irish people carry a gene for hemochromatosis... my is of Irish/Scot and I have never had a Dr. asked me if I should be or wanted to be tested for iron overload. If you ever you Dr. 's website, look up Parkinson's and iron because that condition also has high iron in the brain. Dr. Mercola if he has any credence recommends IP6 to chelate iron, says it is effective. That is one of my questions about the iron depositions in the veins and brain, as to whether one can chelate out the iron. They use IP6 very heavily in the autism community, because some of those kids are iron toxic.

http://hemochromatosiscny.org/irish_at_ ... n_overload
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Postby Merlyn » Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:40 pm

I don't think eating bran would supply enough phytic acid to chelate any quantity of iron. The way IP6 is used to chelate iron out of the brain is between meals so that it can get into the bloodstream. If you take it with a meal it will absorb that iron from the food, but it will not act as a EDTA substitute.
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Postby jozee » Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:09 am

Merlyn,

Hi, I have been using IP6. The nutritionist I was seeing suggested it .
He prescribed a gluten free diet with certain supplements. IP6 being one of them. I had relief from some of my MS symptoms on his protocol.
Numbness in legs, walking, footdrop, fatigue, urinary issues... they all improved. The protocol was changed after a few months, according to nutritional testing. Interestingly, IP6 was removed from the protocol. My syptoms started to return. I was very discouraged, thinking I wasn't sticking closely enough to the gluten free diet. Seeing the interest of others on this forum about IP6 as an iron chelater, I decided to start using the supplement again. My symptons have improved! I am of the belief that it was not the gluten free diet but the IP6 supplement that gave me the initial relief of my symptoms. Interesting!!
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Postby Montana » Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:49 am

I'd never heard of IP6 prior to this forum, but I see a post indicating that it may also block or chelate magnesium. This might be a concern for those who suffer from any type of migraines including acephalgic migraines. The research indicates that most, if not all, migraineurs are low in magnesium. Wondering if green tea extract would be a better option.
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Postby Merlyn » Sat Dec 05, 2009 2:03 pm

Thank you for the wonderful feedback on the IP6! I was surprised when I got my bottle that it actually says what is meant for! So many supplements are so wishy-washy in their descriptions due to the FDA banning medical claims. I am going to start ASAP. I cannot find anybody anywhere on the web with MS using this, so I am pleased as all get out to find a testimonial.
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Postby Merlyn » Sat Dec 05, 2009 2:06 pm

I know, the health writer Sardi says to keep iron below 25, anything above that creates a lot of free radicals of the worst kind, hydroxyl radicals. I have read many times that low iron/anemia folk have very high glutathione. We are probably all being told to overdose on iron! I was anemic as a teenager, and it never made sense to me because I had more energy than anybody I knew.
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Postby shye » Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:46 pm

I think it is important to get a blood measurement of your iron, all forms, before or soon after starting IP6. You don't want to chelate out too much. From what I understand, it chelates loose iron, ie, in the blood steam, unbound. But what we are concerned with with MS is the iron depositions in brain tissue where it does not belong. This depositon iron is not loose, so I don't see how IP6 can chelate it.
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Postby Merlyn » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:13 pm

Took one scoop of IP6 yesterday, did not notice anything except that I was pleased by the lack of taste. It left a slightly slightly chalky residue, but nothing of major political import. Took two scoops this morning before breakfast on an empty stomach. I suspect, although I will verify tomorrow, that this turned on "the waterworks". It seems to have for me a diuretic effect, not a bad thing. I suspect also that it seems to have an effect of mental clarity. I just feel pleasantly alert. So I will continue. I have a lot of bad reactions to things that I try, and they usually happen very fast, so I am pleased with my present tolerance.
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ip6 dosage

Postby viper123 » Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:12 am

what dosage needed?
I'm interested in this treatment.
thank you
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Postby Merlyn » Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:51 am

There I bought a 100 g bottle of Jarrow formula IP6 and the bottle suggests two scoops too times a day on an empty stomach. There is a little scoop inside the bottle to measure the scoops... yesterday I took two scoops in the morning, no reaction. And I don't know if this is related to the IP6, but this morning I am experiencing what I call "pings", a kind of little sharp needle pain in the brain. I do not experience this very often, the only other time I have experienced this was when I was using alpha lipoic acid as a chelator à la Cutler... meaning Dr. Andrew Cutler who says in order for alpha lipoic acid to work as a chelator, it must be taken on a three or four hours schedule to keep the amount constant in the system. I did this way back when, which resulted in incredible nightmares had this type of brain sensation. Therefore, I am wondering if it is the phytic acid crossing the blood brain barrier and pulling out metal... who knows? I intend to keep doing it because I find it interesting that I am getting the sensation. I am not prone to any kind of headaches, I rarely get them. This is not really a headache, it is "pings".
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Postby Algis » Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:44 pm

Sesame seeds are rich in acid phytic.
I wonder if I am gonna start chewing sesame seeds :roll:

Doxycycline also have iron chelation properties; which could explain why some people are doing well with it...

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