A History Lesson from Dr. Mark Haacke

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Postby concerned » Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:53 am

Cheer said polio was cured, I said it has never been cured, you said it has (and tried to prove it by linking to a website that says "there is no cure for polio")

Your last comment is neither here nor there.

Furthermore, who has been prevented from getting MS?
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Postby CCSVIhusband » Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:56 am

Not biting (I'm following the lead of Jimmy) ... I've learned about your ilk and your tactics ... it was a hypothetical that was both here and there along the lines of your argument.
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Postby concerned » Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:59 am

Whatever, all I said was that polio has never been cured and I was right, you were wrong, so you tried to change the focus of the conversation. Go do some 90^ splits.

Postby CCSVIhusband » Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:04 am

How's your mom's MS, and is she still wanting to get the CCSVI treatment? Any progress on that front?

I know you'll probably think that's an attack (and extremely rude), but that's really a serious question ... I want to know if she's pursuing it (along with you).

And I wasn't wrong because I said ... when people stop getting it, that's good enough for me to call it "cured" ... just like the plague. I realize it still exists, but nobody gets it ... "cured".
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Postby concerned » Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:08 am

Well, even taking her to an appointment at a local hospital (like I do) is extremely difficult. She has no passport, or money that doesn't go towards her living in a nursing home, so travel is out of the question. If there was someone here doing it and it was covered by OHIP I'd have no qualms about helping her, but circumstances being what they are, I think it's out of the question for now.

Postby concerned » Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:14 am

There have been cases of the plague in modern times, even this year in Peru.

Mortality rates for antibiotic treated cases of plague are 1-15% vs. 40-60% untreated. I'd say that's somewhat of a cure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_plagu ... c_in_Surat
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Postby cheerleader » Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:17 am

what has happened to this site?
semantics, arguing and nastiness from angry people....

OK. I should have said, "since a vaccine for polio was found", not a CURE. I apologize. The larger point is that this changed the dialogue in MS research. Rivers had worked with Salk on his vaccine team, oversaw the clinical trials and was seen as a "winner." The focus in MS research went to epidemiology and Rivers, rather than vascular mechanics and Putnam. Immunology was the medicine of the future. It remains as such.

truce, gentlemen....OK?
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Postby Ernst » Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:29 am

Joan, Im reading the "history of multiple sclerosis" once more :D really good and interesting things about very early research.. and how things developed to present day. And.. its also good english training.

If you have more good book recommendations about MS, MS research, etc.. Im happy to hear them. I ordered couple of books by amazon.com - and took only some about a week, I got the books :D

ps. people, relax a bit.. this is not so serious :lol:
My wife's 3 yrs post video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLeqLps8XR8

Our family: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_QCKxeQAlg
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