PERNICIOUS ANEMIA-THE GREAT IMITATOR- MUST WATCH AND LISTEN

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PERNICIOUS ANEMIA-THE GREAT IMITATOR- MUST WATCH AND LISTEN

Postby blossom » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:34 pm

never saw or read better example.


http://youtu.be/BvEizypoyO0
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Postby THX1138 » Thu Apr 03, 2014 5:53 pm

Great video!

In the book, Could It Be B12?: An Epidemic of Misdiagnoses, they say that about 10% of MS cases are actually misdiagnoses of B12 issues.
The "Normal" serum range for B12 is too low and, in cases of neurological symptoms, other tests in addition to serum B12 are needed to rule out B12 issues.

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Postby PointsNorth » Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:06 pm

B12 has always improved MS symptoms. Serum Level high but constantly need to supplement (only injections work). Believe it is a inability to metabolize. MDs apparently get a 3-hr lecture on B12 in Mschool. Awaiting results of methylmalonic acid/homocysteine tests.

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Postby jimmylegs » Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:13 am

i'm sorry this is just making me chuckle.. can anyone define enemia for me?

i was b12 deficient for years and corrected it with sublingual methylcobalamin no problem. i worked on a LOT of other stuff too so likely hit on some cofactors that helped.
my approach: no meds so far - just nutrient-dense anti-inflammatory whole foods, and supplements where needed
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Postby THX1138 » Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:23 am

Because this B12 thing is so important for people that have neurological symptoms, I am chiming in.
My Mean Corpuscular Volume had been right at the upper limit of the normal range despite my serum B12 level being around 1000 (not low at all). The neurologists said nothing. High MCV (large red blood cells) is one of the possible signs of B12 issues. The video at the beginning of this thread says that excessive MCV (overly large Red Blood Cells) is a late sign of B12 issues. The video also states that B12 deficiency can cause neurologic and cognitive damage without it causing anemia or even large Red Blood Cells. The sublingual methylcobalamin tablets which I had been taking for many months did not help.

However, within a month of starting methycobalamin painless subcutaneous injections with a 31 gauge insulin syringe, my MCV dropped like a rock - to a Volume nicely in the normal range, no longer borderline.
Did I then recuperate? No. But it seems that I could have experienced neurological problems in the future (and maybe had already) that would be chocked up to MS and nobody would have thought anything other than, "It's your MS getting worse."
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Postby want2bike » Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:31 am

Enjoyed the video. Can't leave it up to the doctors if we want to get better. We have to get the information and figure it out for ourselves.
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Postby jimmylegs » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:03 pm

there must be some odd cofactor situation going on there thx, but as of right now i couldn't say what exactly it might be :S
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Postby want2bike » Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:22 am

When we take things by mouth we are relying on our bodies to absorb them through our digestive tract. As we get older it is harder for our bodies to do this. When we get these things injected into our bodies we by past our digestive system. It is a more effective way of delivering a substance into our bodies. Many with MS have digestive issues.

http://www.ivvitaminsnj.us/
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Postby jimmylegs » Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:47 am

i never had a problem with oral or sublingual absorption. b12 deficiency was my original deficiency, got the tests for mma and hcy early on, no issues on that score. fixed it without much trouble. i ended up with some digestive issues later but that was when i figured out the zinc issue and fixed it. bye bye tummy troubles :) the b12 absorption got better once i fixed the zinc situation. my d3 absorption got waaaaay better after fixing zinc too.
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Postby want2bike » Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:33 am

Think anyone with autoimmune disease should consider the fact that a leaky gut could be responsible for their condition. They make supplements for B vitamins but our bodies must absorb them. If our gut is not healthy that could be a problem. I address this problem by probiotics. I make my own since I think that is more healthy than trusting a pill. I do this with Kombucha tea and fermented vegetables which have the bacteria needed for a healthy gut and promotion of the B vitamins. It is not just the B12. You need a healthy gut to absorb all the vitamins and minerals. It could be the answer for many to get their health back. The end of the article gives solutions to solve the leaky gut problem. Get off the drugs if you want a healthy gut. Eat the foods which promote a healthy gut and stay away from the chemicals which destroy your gut.

http://www.b12patch.com/blog/tag/leaky-gut/

http://www.living-foods.com/articles/b12issue.html
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Postby blossom » Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:50 am

they reccomend the intramuscular needle--but don't let that be something that concerns or scares you off of in pursueing an accurate diag. and fear of useing such a large needle. "YOU DO NOT HAVE TO USE SUCH A LARGE NEEDLE." when first diag. i did-but as time went on i found the smaller ones work just as well. my levels are of b12 once properly diag. have remained good useing a smaller needle.
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Postby jimmylegs » Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:00 am

strong links between zinc status and leaky gut,
http://scholar.google.ca/scholar?hl=en& ... 5&as_sdtp=

also zinc regulates gut flora
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/di ... id=9198541

i've only seen one report of an anaphylactic reaction to IM b12 injections .. if i go for a needle it's for testing - so far no issues with oral and/or sublingual forms. in fact i even had calcitriol go super high one time just from something i put on my skin.
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Postby centenarian100 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:37 pm

good video
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Re: PERNICIOUS ANEMIA-THE GREAT IMITATOR- MUST WATCH AND LIS

Postby THX1138 » Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:32 am

What do all of these diseases have in common?

Alzheimer’s, dementia, cognitive decline and memory loss (collectively referred to as “aging”)
Multiple sclerosis (MS) and other neurological disorders
Mental illness (depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, psychosis)
Cardiovascular disease
Learning or developmental disorders in kids
Autism spectrum disorder
Autoimmune disease and immune dysregulation
Cancer
Male and female infertility
Answer: they can all mimic the signs and symptoms of vitamin B12 deficiency.
http://chriskresser.com/b12-deficiency-a-silent-epidemic-with-serious-consequences
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Postby THX1138 » Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:09 pm

However, B12 deficiency is far more common than most health care practitioners and the general public realize. Data from the Tufts University Framingham Offspring Study suggest that 40 percent of people between the ages of 26 and 83 have plasma B12 levels in the low normal range – a range at which many experience neurological symptoms.

http://chriskresser.com/b12-deficiency-a-silent-epidemic-with-serious-consequences
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