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Re: JL, Help Needed!

Postby THX1138 » Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:42 pm

jimmylegs wrote:all right i am not your person for help with AIP. you give evidence of being able to find the things you want to find, in spite of your condition. i hope it works for you :)
Evidence, but at what cost to my well being :?: You don't know, do you :?: Do you know how long it usually takes me to post quality posts. Do you know how my head gets warm and my vision gets even worse etc :?:



OK We need to get back on track and deal with the real issue at hand. :YMHUG:
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I think one mistake we made is not defining the words we use. "Paleo" comes to mind.
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Re: JL, Help Needed!

Postby jimmylegs » Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:23 am

take as long as you want to determine your personal nutrient requirements for the whopping three items requested. i'll be around.
take control of your own health
pursue optimal self care at least as actively as a diagnosis
ask for referrals to preventive health care specialists eg dietitians
don't let suboptimal self care muddy any underlying diagnostic picture!
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Re: JL, Help Needed!

Postby NHE » Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:52 am

THX1138 wrote:Main Barrier is not eating enough.

I concur.

THX1138 wrote:Food Log...

That doesn't look like enough food. You would likely have better energy if you ate more.
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Re: JL, Help Needed!

Postby THX1138 » Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:05 pm

NHE wrote:
THX1138 wrote:Main Barrier is not eating enough.

I concur.

THX1138 wrote:Food Log...

That doesn't look like enough food. You would likely have better energy if you ate more.


Thanks for the support.
It sometimes helps to more fully realize a truth if I just hear someone other than me say it is so.
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Re: JL, Help Needed!

Postby THX1138 » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:03 pm

:-D Well lookey here: post254762.html#p254762
Some kind soul, named jimmylegs, posted a broad array of DRI resources.

I'll take a look... Good, Good - I believe the poster of the links is known to have done extensive research into what it takes to be healthy, especially as it pertains to MS. Also, the poster very much seems to NOT be a drug pusher of any sort :-BD .

Now, the link for Minerals (for the US)... It looks like it is from the government, which can be good. I think I will trust this source based largely on jimmylegs credentials.

Calcium It says I should take in 1000 mg per day. I have been largely avoiding Calcium, along with vitamin/hormone D for several years now because they make my muscle tightness and spasms worse. UPDATE: I'm not so sure it is calcium that gives me trouble. It's just that I had noticed that pizzas make my muscles worse. Maybe it is dairy products that are the problem.

Magnesium It says I should take in 420 mg per day. In the past, I have taken in much more than 420 mg most every day; it did not fix my muscle tightness nor the muscle spasms. :confused: But, it does help, such that I would NOT be without it.
Zinc It says I should take in 11 mg per day. I have been supplementing with 30 mg of OptiZinc everyday for many months and still my serum zinc level after an 8 day washout period was 08/21/2018 Noon Zinc 0.84 mcg/mL 0.66 - 1.10 mcg/mL :confused:
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Re: JL, Help Needed!

Postby THX1138 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:56 pm

jimmylegs wrote:re the first non-link non-citation
https://chriskresser.com/debunking-pale ... allantyne/

"Comments
Christopher Grove
JULY 8, 2018 AT 10:48 AM

Ugh!! I’m SO tired of Sarah’s book being referred to as some kind of scientific tome. There is ONE chapter that has a series of study references in regards to the paleo diet and how it can influence specific illnesses like diabetes or MS. HOWEVER, the book is FULL of references to so-called studies WITHOUT CITATIONS! So, apparently I’m supposed to simply take Sarah’s word for it that eating over 20gr per day of nuts and seeds increases risk for stroke (or any number of other out of context references).
Paleo Principles LOOKS like a college textbook but I can’t recommend it to anyone who expects scientific proof of anything but the value of Paleo in general terms for disease mitigation.
On top of that it seems that the paleo rat pack is out to give each other unqualified accolades in order to sell each others’ books.
As someone who tries to promote a Paleo Diet & lifestyle that is a horrible position to be in when confronted with someone convinced of another, unscientific, dietary or medical way of life!"

you go, grove
It looks like Mr. Grove missed the web address for the references used for the book.
Ok, so we have the above quote speaking against the book, Paleo Principles: The Science Behind the Paleo Template, Step-by-Step Guides, Meal Plans, and 200+ Healthy & Delicious Recipes for Real Life.


The following link takes you to the References from Paleo Principles: The Science Behind the Paleo Template, Step-by-Step Guides, Meal Plans, and 200+ Healthy & Delicious Recipes for Real Life - https://www.thepaleomom.com/paleo-principles-references/

There are loads of references, but Christopher Grove, in the above quote, seems to have missed the lions share of them (which are found at the web address, https://www.thepaleomom.com/paleo-princ ... eferences/ .

Any thoughts on this matter would be appreciated.

Below are references from the chapters 1-5 (out of 46 chapters):
Below are the references, citations and sources used in the writing of Paleo Principles.

Introduction
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Chapter 1
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Chapter 2
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Chapter 3
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Re: JL, Help Needed!

Postby THX1138 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:22 pm

THX1138 wrote::-D Well lookey here: post254762.html#p254762
Some kind soul, named jimmylegs, posted a broad array of DRI resources.

I'll take a look... Good, Good - I believe the poster of the links is known to have done extensive research into what it takes to be healthy, especially as it pertains to MS. Also, the poster very much seems to NOT be a drug pusher of any sort :-BD . (jimmylegs talks much about the importance of nutrients instead)

Now, the link for Minerals (for the US)... It looks like it is from the government, which can be good. I think I will trust this source based largely on jimmylegs credentials.

Calcium It says I should take in 1000 mg per day. I have been largely avoiding Calcium, along with vitamin/hormone D for several years now because they make my muscle tightness and spasms worse. 09-13-2018 UPDATE: I'm not so sure it is calcium that gives me trouble. It's just that I had noticed that pizzas make my muscles worse. Maybe it is dairy products that are the problem??

Magnesium It says I should take in 420 mg per day. In the past, I have taken in much more than 420 mg most every day; it did not fix my muscle tightness nor the muscle spasms. :confused: But, it does help, such that I would NOT be without it.
Zinc It says I should take in 11 mg per day. I have been supplementing with 30 mg of OptiZinc everyday for many months and still my serum zinc level after an 8 day washout period was 08/21/2018 Noon Zinc 0.84 mcg/mL 0.66 - 1.10 mcg/mL :confused:

09-13-2018
UPDATE: I'm not so sure it is calcium that gives me trouble. It's just that I had noticed that pizzas make my muscles worse. Maybe it is dairy products that are the problem??
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Re: jimmylegs, Help Needed!

Postby David1949 » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:40 pm

This may go without saying but it's been hot this summer. If you're not adequately air conditioned it could be making you feel much worse. I was feeling really weak today. Then I noticed it was 83F in the house because we shut off the A/C a few days ago and forgot to turn it back on. I turned it back on now and I'm feeling better already.

Anyway I feel for you because I could soon be in the same situation. Good luck my friend.

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