Thanks Ian, at 52 I'm taking my first plane flight tomorrow and I've been a wreck about it.bromley wrote:Parasitic infection is found to benefit MS patients
Hi WW, I'd like to think that eating them is a temporary situation needed to prove that there is indeed a relationship between the loss of these parasites and the onset of immune problems. Researchers all over the world are trying to isolate and synthesize the chemicals the helminths excrete/secrete to produce a medicine but it's kind of a low buck situation right now because this is in the early stages and not widely accepted.I wonder how many worms you have to eat! And what happens if they breed out of control?
Arron wrote:In the case of IBD, at least, the worms used are pig (and exclusively pig) whipworms. They cannot complete their lifecycle and replicate in a human host-- and so there is no appreciable risk of them beginning to breed on their own.
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a small number of MS Patients already received TSO but outside clinical study conditions and showed considerable improvements. Everybody is waiting for the German authorities to move in regard of the GMP approval so that the clinical study, which is ready to go since many monthes, can finally start. The University of Wisconsin has every thing prepared already and once the GMP is finally there from Germany, the US FDA will be next to give it a go. We hope it will happen this year.
Best regards - Detlev
I wouldnt call it "ironic" that they chose a parasite that was not known to cause death in humans.Lyon wrote:... it also seems ironic and unfortunate that a parasite not specific to humans was used.
These masters can become true masters of the human system, causing issues to the "human system".Lyon wrote:In his early interviews lead researcher Joel Weinstock explained his reasoning for using helminths against immune dysfunction and he pointed out that through human evolution until the late 1800's parasites, specific to humans, had been "part" of the human system.
And I would hazard a guess that deaths due to helminths dramatically reduced.Lyon wrote:At that same time and in the same locations we know as the "MS geographic gradient" allergy, asthma and autoimmune diseases began their dramatic rise in incidence.
If the host does not die first.Lyon wrote:... they survive to die of old age as opposed to being detected and killed by our immune system.
Actually what I meant is that in "our" environment the human whipworm poses no higher risks than the swine whipworm. What I find ironic is the irrational fear of the human version, only because it's the human version. This irrational fear has created the situation in which the human version, which almost certainly would provide better results than the swine version, won't get studied and therefore, at least in the near future, no one will attempt to isolate and replicate the chemicals it produces which are more human specific.I wouldnt call it "ironic" that they chose a parasite that was not known to cause death in humans.
About any dastardly thing one could say about these parasites is true. Then again, about any dastardly thing one could say about these parasites is also untrue. Yes, for many reasons in third world countries they pose a very real danger because "overinfestation" is so likely. During the process of becoming "developed" our environment changed so drastically that these parasites died out on their own. The situation hasn't improved for these parasites so overinfestation here in the developed countries doesn't seem to be a legitimate concern."... they survive to die of old age as opposed to being detected and killed by our immune system." If the host does not die first.
Lyon wrote:... but I know that Ovamed wants $400 for a two week supply....
...As far as I'm aware only someone diagnosed with IBD and providing a note from their Doctor is able to purchase it ...
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