My regimen

[Barry]

Here's my routine. Any thoughts?

D3 – 4000 IU
Calcium 600 IU
Magnessium 300 mg
Fish oil 2000 mg
LDN 1.5 mg
A multi vitamin (I hope this link to the label is ok)
http://www.puritan.com/mens-vitamins-00 ... 46#product

Diet wise, lots of fruit and raw veggies, skinless chicken breast, the occasional steak.
I like to chop up brocolli and cauliflower and toss it in the freezer. Then I grind up up the
leftover stuff for soup.

Don't eat pasta, very little bread, no fast food, no fried food, no chips or any of that stuff.
Very little canned and no nuke and eat food.
Pizza is rare treat and spoil myself by going to a restaurant once or twice a month.
Boring isn't it.

When I worked, I had a very physical type job but now I keep busy in the garden and in
the garage woodworking, welding, taking stuff apart for fun. I run a phpbb site too.
You stole my colour scheme.

I'm new to this MS thingy, less than a year. I think I've only had one attack and it kicked my butt but
I'm a lot better than I was 6 months ago. I'm male and 50.

[mrbarlow]

I would up the fish oil so you are getting 1.5-2g of EFA & DHA a day. So basically 6-7 1000mg capsules

Perhaps add b complex with B12 into the mix

And 15-30mg zinc daily

[jimmylegs]

your diet sounds pretty awesome. eat salmon as well if you don't already. it's even more effective than fish oil supplements. there must be cofactors we don't know about in the whole food.

do you have wheat germ or wheat germ oil, sunflower seeds/oil and almonds in your diet? important sources of vitamin E. vit E is a big part of this old school protocol for MS by klenner. the vit E in your multi will not be a very healthy form, likely just one of the E8 complex, so ensuring you compensate with lots of vit E foods with the proper natural ratio of tocopherols and tocotrienols would be important.

from what you've described your zinc status won't be as bad as some others that eat bread pasta etc often. a blood test would be good there. if you do supplement zinc ensure it is balanced with copper. you can find products that have both in one. how much zinc and copper do you get in your multi? oh wait i'll go check it myself hang on

[jimmylegs]

so ya the vit E's not the safest form to supplement with that one's synthetic and bc it's only alpha tocopherol, it throws off your natural ratio of the other fractions. except in that supplement the amount is almost negligible. you might want to look into finding an whole food E8 complex product.

if you're getting 700 IU of D3 in that multi you could probably drop the rest to 4000 IU.

the form of magnesium in the multi is one of the inorganic difficult to absorb ones. what is the form and dose of your non-multi magnesium product?

for the zinc you're getting 15 already in the multi, but you could add another 25 maybe. it's worth getting a serum test to find out if you need to (healthy controls sit in the top end of the normal range) - i see the copper is in the multi too so that's good.

that amount of potassium (100mg) is so low you wonder why they bother - you need 3500-4200 mg a day depending which health authority you ask.

also the form of selenium in the multi is not the most bioavailable (selenomethionine is supposed to be good)

that's me for now

[lyndacarol]

your diet sounds pretty awesome. eat salmon as well if you don't already. it's even more effective than fish oil supplements. there must be cofactors we don't know about in the whole food.

do you have wheat germ or wheat germ oil, sunflower seeds/oil and almonds in your diet? important sources of vitamin E. vit E is a big part of this old school protocol for MS by klenner. the vit E in your multi will not be a very healthy form, likely just one of the E8 complex, so ensuring you compensate with lots of vit E foods with the proper natural ratio of tocopherols and tocotrienols would be important.

from what you've described your zinc status won't be as bad as some others that eat bread pasta etc often. a blood test would be good there. if you do supplement zinc ensure it is balanced with copper. you can find products that have both in one. how much zinc and copper do you get in your multi? oh wait i'll go check it myself hang on

The mention of "wheat germ" reminds me that in the last couple days I have heard that wheat germ is a good source of the body's best antioxidant, glutathione. This was news to me; probably old news to you, JL.

[jimmylegs]

thanks for that tidbit LC, actually i was more focused on the nutrition required for human biosynthesis of glutathione peroxidase. learning more now. according to the esteemed wikipedia, there are 8 GPxes identified to date, GPx-1 is the main one at this point. wheat germ appears to contain glutathione reductase which interacts with glutathione peroxidase in some way i haven't quite teased out of the quagmire yet. checking khan academy for a vid on the glutathione peroxidase-reductase system.

[Barry]

the form of magnesium in the multi is one of the inorganic difficult to absorb ones. what is the form and dose of your non-multi magnesium product?

that amount of potassium (100mg) is so low you wonder why they bother - you need 3500-4200 mg a day depending which health authority you ask.

also the form of selenium in the multi is not the most bioavailable (selenomethionine is supposed to be good)

Thanks for the input folks.

The non-multi is the same stuff - mag oxide. Time to look for something else? I like salmon and get it once and awhile. It's hard to tell
if it's corn fed farmed or wild. I'm a bit of a country of origin nut too.

Wheat germ oil or sunflower oil? Never thought of that, time to do some reading. Is wheat germ a bad idea if I'm trying to keep gluten
to a minimum?

I figured that 2 or 3 bananas a day would cover potassium, guess not. For awhile I was putting a tsp of ground tumeric in some olive oil and scarfing it down. Got away from it. Maybe a good use for sunflower oil.

Thanks again!

[jimmylegs]

you might do better with magnesium glycinate if you can find any.

here's a list i found of fatty vs white fish. a little more variety than just salmon, but i am not sure about the relative fattiness by species:

http://www.sacn.gov.uk/pdfs/fics_03_01_annex_01.pdf

here are two resources i use for making sustainable choices:

http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/cr/c ... nload.aspx
http://www.seachoice.org/wp-content/upl ... el_web.pdf

Comparison of the effects of fish and fish-oil capsules on the n–3 fatty acid content of blood cells and plasma phospholipids
http://www.ajcn.org/content/86/6/1621.short

in that study, they found that eating oily fish twice a week or taking fish oil every day was about the same, with the fish being a bit more effective. i'm not doing so well then because i alternate between salmon and white fish and don't always manage two servings per week. think i'll look for trout and mackerel a little more often, to diversify my fatty fish options.

you don't have to go for wheat germ oil. it would contain gluten. personally i only limit rather than avoid gluten. i'm not really an exclusion dieter any more, that's how i got sick in the first place. but sunflower seeds and almonds could still be an option for natural vit E for you.

yea potassium is a toughie. 1c swiss chard boiled for 3 min provides almost 1000 mg on it's own! crimini mushrooms and spinach are also excellent sources. info resource: http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tnam ... nt&dbid=90

yvw!

[NHE]

Wheat germ oil or sunflower oil? Never thought of that, time to do some reading. Is wheat germ a bad idea if I'm trying to keep gluten to a minimum?

If you use sunflower oil, get cold pressed, unrefined oil. It will likely cost a little more, but most of the good stuff (vitamin E, etc.) has been removed from the generic oils. You might be interested in the book "Fats that heal, Fats that kill" by Udo Erasmus. It is his PhD dissertation in nutrition written in a form to be accessible by the general public.

NHE

[jimmylegs]

good tip, NHE. also sunflower's an omega 6 oil not omega 3 so do ensure it's balanced with other fatty acids in the right ratio

[NHE]

good tip, NHE. also sunflower's an omega 6 oil not omega 3 so do ensure it's balanced with other fatty acids in the right ratio

Yes, flax oil would be a good choice as well. Only buy flax oil that's been kept refrigerated in the store and refrigerate it once you get it home. If it's a hot day out, bring a small cooler with you rather than have it get baked in a hot car.


NHE

[jimmylegs]

definitely flax is a great one for O3. i don't think it contains meaningful amounts of vit E though. such a balancing act!

[NHE]

definitely flax is a great one for O3. i don't think it contains meaningful amounts of vit E though. such a balancing act!

Some nutrients are likely lost during the oil extraction process even for high quality unrefined oils. Here's the nutrient profile for whole flax seeds (best consumed after grinding). Note that there is some gamma-tocopherol. http://www.goldenflax.com/flax-seed-nut ... ation.html


NHE

[jimmylegs]

lol you keep moving the post!