all things magnesium

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Re: all things magnesium

Postby dez2000 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:01 pm

Search 'diatomaceous earth testimonials’ Hundreds of people have recorded the effects of their experiences with ‘DE’ most are amazed at what the 'dirt' has done for them, friends and family. I recommend taking DE with at least vitamin C for ‘C’ with silica makes up the cell walls of our body. ‘DE’ also helps the body to assimilate calcium. I think you know most of this, but bears repeating. We do not stand alone and neither do nutrients. There are thousands of nutrients in natures plants and animals, over 700 carotenes alone. To many people are looking for a one shot drugs, individual vitamins, the magic pills. There are none. Taking individual vitamins or minerals or eating the same foods year after year, leads to disaster. One woman told me most of her family including her sons, were diabetic for six generations. I ask her if the families all ate the same things. She looked stunned. I could not talk to her more for this was at her store check stand, but by the look on her face told me it was probably true. This is not uncommon, for I have known many farm and ranch families and while most were healthy and lived to be 70 years and more, to many were arthritic and or also had heart problems including my own. Variety is the spice of life and ‘Health’. Also, spices are a rich source nutrients as well, medicinal. You probably know about turmeric, ginger and many more including their seeds are rich and varied source of nutrients. I have researched the internet for over 30 years on many subjects. Health has been my main focus, including the history and politics of medicine. When researching vitamins and nutrients I am not satisfied with just one aspect or report for vitamin c for instance, 'vitamin C', google shows over 90 to 250 million pages in one search, maybe half are viable. Health over all is worth over a trillion in this country alone. In the opinion of the many natural health doctors, scientists researchers, they estimate, this would be cut in half, if vitamin C, and supporting vitamins, supplements and herbals became universal and doctors and hospitals concentrated on healing and cures instead of treatment and profit. A dream world? Just vitamin C alone before and after an operation will cut hospital stay by a third. Dr Klenner proved this over fifty years His therapies got him blackballed over by conventional medicine over 60 years ago, Irwin stone Phd spent most of his life researching for a book he wrote detailing the 3 million year history of man and vitamin c and vitamins. He was the one who got Linus Pauling interested in vitamin C in the 1960’s. Pauling then dedicated the rest of his life to investigating vitamin C and health. The book is on the internet, donated by his family. "The Healing Factor” A section details therapies, cures. Recommended Questions? mrhjdez@mail.com …dez...
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Re: all things magnesium

Postby NHE » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:28 pm

dez2000 wrote:silica makes up the cell walls of our body


We don't have cell walls. No animals do. Plants and bacteria have cell walls. Our cells are surrounded only by the plasma membrane which is composed of phospholipids and protein to a lesser extent.
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Re: Cilica, silicon dioxide;

Postby dez2000 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:13 pm

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dez2000 wrote:silica makes up the cell walls of our body


Dictionary silica |ˈsilikə| noun
A hard, unreactive, colorless compound that occurs as the mineral quartz and as a principal constituent of sandstone and other rocks. • Alternative name: silicon dioxide;

Diatomaceous earth, 80 to 90% cilica (cilicom) is the skeletal remains of marine animals deposited on lake bottoms over 3 miiion years. This form of cilica is more acceptable to animals (humans). Also cilica contains small amounts minerals and clays. research …dez…

Scientific terminology as expressed in papers by Scientist is not easy for the layman to decipher. This leads to inaccuracies making us/me vulnerable to nitpickers/lawyers.
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to me from NHE
We don't have cell walls. No animals do. Plants and bacteria have cell walls. Our cells are surrounded only by the plasma membrane which is composed of phospholipids and protein to a lesser extent.[/quote]

This is my new search and NHE is right.

But without cilica their would be no life on earth.
After 2.5 hours research, silica was never mentioned. Research is my game and I like play. Always learn something. I will continue to use cells as most people accept it and its easy to remember and spell. Thank you! …dez...
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Re: all things magnesium

Postby NHE » Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:39 pm

dez2000 wrote:After 2.5 hours research, silica was never mentioned.

Sure it was. It was right in your post...
dez2000 wrote:Search 'diatomaceous earth testimonials’ Hundreds of people have recorded the effects of their experiences with ‘DE’ most are amazed at what the 'dirt' has done for them, friends and family. I recommend taking DE with at least vitamin C for ‘C’ with silica makes up the cell walls of our body.

Animal cells don't have cell walls.
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Re: all things magnesium

Postby jimmylegs » Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:16 am

I put "diatomaceous earth" in google scholar. can't find any research on benefits other than as insecticide, or as a filter component. tried "diatomaceous earth" health. all the research appears to be on inhalation risks.
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Re: all things magnesium

Postby dez2000 » Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:50 pm

all things magnesium

I have read the many post on magnesium posted here. A lot of them contain very good scientific and accurate information. Healthy people with healthy nutritious diets get enough magnesium for there needs.

People on low calorie diets, have health issues and diseases and are under stress to often not. Where I have problem is that many of the post here, refer to the FDA’s, and its RDA.

I went to Doctor Linus Pauling, Americas primer Scientist and two time Nobel Prize winner. His research papers on vitamins and nutrients are thorough and in depth. His papers on magnesium are no less. dez
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magnesium dysphagia

Postby jimmylegs » Sun Oct 20, 2013 2:49 pm

my dysphagia was related to chronic magnesium depletion. i didn't know i had been low for years previously (most people are). i learned about the importance of minerals after diagnosis and started taking some magnesium, but then i made things worse by taking vitamin d3 at higher doses and not balancing or timing my magnesium supplement correctly. the dysphagia was the single scariest symptom of all the different symptoms i have experienced. at its worst it was combined with an inability to draw a complete full breath. the things we take for granted! anyway. at one time my magnesium status was so bad that i could take a magnesium pill (well away from any vitamin d3) and within an hour i would feel a physical reaction like a shock or knock in my throat when the biochemistry would kick into gear. i am not 100% sure of the number, but the worst magnesium test result i have on file was 0.88 mmol/L. that is well within the 'normal' range and no doctor would have said that magnesium was my problem. i was just lucky to run into a smart pharmacist one day who told me what i was doing wrong and set me on the correct track.

if you are symptomatic for magnesium deficiency (muscle stiffness is typical) you can do several things:
-verify your levels with a serum magnesium test (it will be 'normal' but deficiency symptoms are known to occur inside the normal range - aim for very high normal ie 1.1 mmol/L)
-increase daily intake to 600mg per day (not the easiest thing with diet alone)
-eat LOTS of nutrient dense magnesium rich foods
-choose a very high quality magnesium supplement (magnesium glycinate is a smart choice for best absorption - cheap forms just go right through you and are not retained in any useful way)
-drink mineral water
-avoid coffee, alcohol, dark coloured carbonated beverages (phosphorus)
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Re: all things magnesium

Postby THX1138 » Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:21 pm

Healthy people with healthy nutritious diets get enough magnesium for there needs.


1) Most people do not have healthy, nutritious diets.
2) The RDA's are meant for Healthy People with No Deficiencies.

3) As a Doctor once told me, people with ms are magnesium wasters and thus, need far more magnesium.

Regarding the most common way of testing magnesium levels, here is a study of peer reviewed articles entitled, The underestimated problem of using serum magnesium measurements to exclude magnesium deficiency in adults; a health warning is needed for "normal" results.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20170394


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Re: all things magnesium

Postby THX1138 » Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:45 pm

The multifaceted and widespread pathology of magnesium deficiency.
The range of pathologies associated with Mg deficiency is staggering: hypertension (cardiovascular disease, kidney and liver damage, etc.), peroxynitrite damage (migraine, multiple sclerosis...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11425281

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Re: all things magnesium

Postby lyndacarol » Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:22 am

I think this belongs here also:

Dietary Mg is absorbed in the small intestine, the same area affected by gluten in those with celiac disease.

And from a 1968 article! Almost 40 years old!… I can't believe they are still charging for this!

Magnesium Metabolism, a study published in The New England Journal Of Medicine, March 28, 1968 (http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJM196803282781306) found a "striking magnesium loss" in the stools of those with untreated celiac disease—up to four times as high as dietary Mg intake. That same study found that "this remarkable loss was reversed by the institution of a gluten-free diet."
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Re: all things magnesium

Postby lyndacarol » Thu Jan 02, 2014 3:38 pm

I found the following interesting, since I have had no appetite for YEARS and now have tingling, muscle contractions and cramps; thought others might find this information interesting, too:

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Magnes ... fessional/

Magnesium Deficiency
Symptomatic magnesium deficiency due to low dietary intake in otherwise-healthy people is uncommon because the kidneys limit urinary excretion of this mineral [3]. However, habitually low intakes or excessive losses of magnesium due to certain health conditions, chronic alcoholism, and/or the use of certain medications can lead to magnesium deficiency.
Early signs of magnesium deficiency include loss of appetite, nausea, vomiting, fatigue, and weakness. As magnesium deficiency worsens, numbness, tingling, muscle contractions and cramps, seizures, personality changes, abnormal heart rhythms, and coronary spasms can occur [1,2]. Severe magnesium deficiency can result in hypocalcemia or hypokalemia (low serum calcium or potassium levels, respectively) because mineral homeostasis is disrupted [2].
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Re: all things magnesium

Postby lyndacarol » Thu Jan 02, 2014 4:10 pm

lyndacarol wrote:I think this belongs here also:

Dietary Mg is absorbed in the small intestine, the same area affected by gluten in those with celiac disease.

And from a 1968 article! Almost 40 years old!… I can't believe they are still charging for this!

Magnesium Metabolism, a study published in the New England Journal Of Medicine, March 28, 1968 (http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJM196803282781306) found a "striking magnesium loss" in the stools of those with untreated celiac disease—up to four times as high as dietary Mg intake. That same study found that "this remarkable loss was reversed by the institution of a gluten-free diet."


Someone inquired about the link above and the minimal introduction to the study. I have obtained a printed copy of the article from the nearby College of Medicine library, but do not have access to the actual PDF file (scanner is not available). The information above appears in a paragraph on page 713,

Studies of magnesium balance in celiac disease revealed a striking magnesium loss in the stools: as high as four times the dietary intake.⁽¹°°⁾ This remarkable loss was reversed by the institution of a gluten-free diet.

100. Goldman, A.S., VanFossen, D.D., and Baird, E.E.Magnesium deficiency celiac disease. Pediatrics 29:948-952, 1962.
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Re: all things magnesium

Postby leonardo » Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:34 pm

http://www.turkishjournalpediatrics.org/?fullTextId=238

Have a look at this study on Mg level in diabetic children.

They do have low Mg levels, serum Mg level is low but in normal range, erythrocyte magnesium is very low.

"So Erythrocyte magnesium measurement is preferred to serum magnesium. In conclusion, erythrocyte magnesium levels decrease earlier than serum magnesium in diabetic children. "

What is interesting, the urine Mg is high although there is a lack of Mg in the body... Why are they wasting it?
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c-reactive protein Re: all things magnesium

Postby jimmylegs » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:56 am

re inverse correlation between c-reactive protein and magnesium intake
natural-approach-f27/topic24350.html#p222294

a brief history of c-reactive protein at TiMS

magnesium and crp
chronic-cerebrospinal-venous-insufficiency-ccsvi-f40/topic6488-90.html#p49424

zinc and crp
post52967.html?hilit=c%20reactive%20protein#p52967

magnesium and crp
post54633.html?hilit=c%20reactive%20protein#p54633

everything but the kitchen sink and crp (mag, vit D, vit A, vit C, vit B6, iron, etc etc etc)
general-discussion-f1/topic7083.html#p55740

stress impacts on crp and trace minerals
general-discussion-f1/topic21148.html#p200639
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Re: all things magnesium

Postby THX1138 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:56 pm

Magnesium in the Central Nervous System

Here is link to the free e-book.
http://www.adelaide.edu.au/press/titles/magnesium/magnesium-ebook.pdf

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