Post subject: Re: Fluoride... the reason fluoride was added to drinking water in the first place.. over a century ago i believe... was on the basis of its being a required nutrient for dental health and cavity prevention ... i suspect there may be something else more fundamental about tooth nutrition that we've learned over the past century, that should allow us to move past the practice of adding fluoride to drinking water ...Developmental influence of magnesium deficiency on rat molar tooth composition and dental caries
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 1783801262
'The objective of this study was to determine if caries susceptibility of offspring could be altered by maternal magnesium deficiency. ... Offspring originating from these magnesium deficient dams had less calcium, phosphorus and zinc in molar dentin compared to controls at the end of a 45-day caries test period. This apparent preeruptive reduction in mineral content of offspring dentin was associated with higher caries scores on the first and second molar buccal surface.
i noted with interest, w2b, within the conversation on the last thread, your question:...fluoride deficiency or repletion is one discussion... the perceived need for supplementation in drinking water supplies is an entirely different sort of chat.
THE NON-ESSENTIALITY OF FLUORINE IN NUTRITION
here's an interesting nuance of fluoride nutrition:
Effects of Fluoride on Magnesium Deficiency in the Guinea Pig
Effect of fluoride on the mobilization of skeletal magnesium and soft-tissue calcinosis during acute magnesium deficiency in the rat
i would suggest that a notable benefit of fluoride is to protect against specific outcomes of essential nutrient deficiencies.. think i'm arriving at the same conclusion i did before.. using fluoride for dental health, in lieu of essential nutrients, sounds to me like using inosine to elevate uric acid, rather than correcting underlying low zinc levels. protective perhaps, but not going to the.. root :S of the problem
i appreciate your interest in supporting academic research. i'm looking forward to seeing the results of your efforts in that departmentDo you have any research you can post showing fluoride is a benefical nutrient?
jimmylegs wrote:lsounds to me like using inosine to elevate uric acid, rather than correcting underlying low zinc levels. protective perhaps, but not going to the.. root :S of the problem)
want2bike wrote:These professionals explain why fluoride is bad for the body. Reverse osmosis is a way to get it out.
in the context of caries prevention specifically, and within specific ppm limits, i would tend to agree. on the other hand, i think it irresponsible to allow fluoride to contribute to the masking of a global magnesium deficit problem which is recognized by the WHO and contributes to such an array of common acute and chronic health problems.Water fluoridation, where technically feasible and culturally acceptable, remains a relevant and valid choice as a population measure for the prevention of dental caries.."
it kind of depends. on the one hand i am not an advocate for supplementing endogenously synthesized products. i'd rather use essential nutrients to support endogenous production systems, than potentially weaken said systems by providing a crutch of sorts. on the other hand if your serum uric acid, and serum zinc are both optimized, i don't know of any specific harm. are you testing serum levels for both of those? (also fyi as i imagine you know, red meat is not the only source of inosine or of zinc - may i inquire re your personal rationale for the decision to omit red meat from your diet?)Do you see an issue with supplementing Inosine along with Zinc?
agree. sent THX some feedback on his use of RO water when he was PM-ing me about a hydration regimen earlier this year. he reported positive effects at the time, but i haven't heard any particularly recent updates.Reverse osmosis water is so exceedingly low in minerals, drinking it will pull minerals out of your body. The resultant loss of magnesium, calcium and other minerals worsens health
The possible adverse consequences of low mineral content water consumption are discussed in the following categories:
• Direct effects on the intestinal mucous membrane, metabolism and mineral homeostasis or other body functions.
• Little or no intake of calcium and magnesium from low-mineral water.
• Low intake of other essential elements and microelements.
• Loss of calcium, magnesium and other essential elements in prepared food.
• Possible increased dietary intake of toxic metals...
Results of experiments in human volunteers evaluated by researchers for the WHO report (3) are in agreement with those in animal experiments and suggest the basic mechanism of the effects of water low in TDS (e.g. < 100 mg/L) on water and mineral homeostasis. Low-mineral water markedly: 1.) increased diuresis (almost by 20%, on average), body water volume, and serum sodium concentrations, 2.) decreased serum potassium concentration, and 3.) increased the elimination of sodium, potassium, chloride, calcium and magnesium ions from the body.
jimmylegs wrote:also fyi as i imagine you know, red meat is not the only source of inosine or of zinc - may i inquire re your personal rationale for the decision to omit red meat from your diet?
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