CCSVI and CCVBP
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Thanks Nigel. The Beggs presentation of fluid mechanics in the brain is very well done.
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hi upright doc!
in the MS patients you have treated with upper cervical chiropractic what symptom improvements do they see and how greatly...
do any see improvements in their mobility? how much do they generally improve? do you see cognitive function improve...
is the improvements instant or is it gradual improvement over several sessions...
is this treatment required on a regular basis to maintain the improvements? indefintely...
in the MS patients you have treated with upper cervical chiropractic what symptom improvements do they see and how greatly...
do any see improvements in their mobility? how much do they generally improve? do you see cognitive function improve...
is the improvements instant or is it gradual improvement over several sessions...
is this treatment required on a regular basis to maintain the improvements? indefintely...
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Hello Adamnt,
Patient's have reported improvement in: fatigue, cog fog, eye pain (ON), numbness, tingling and weakness in the arms and legs, muscle spasms, tremors and twitches, migraines, blurry vision, trigeminal neuralgia, tinnitus, poor balance etc., The degree of improvement is as individual as each case. Many cases are associated with permanent damage. Sometimes the permanent damage occurs during trauma. Permanent damage can also occur slowly such as from upper cervical misalignments.
Some patient have rapid improvement. Other cases improve slowly. There is not set schedule. There are many factors involved such as the particulars of the case and the level of experience and skill of the doctor for example that effect the outcome. All cases require on going treatment for life usually because of circumstance that caused the MS in the first place such as trauma. Other patients have genetic structural problems. Some patients spend their days in wheelchairs which throw the body out of alignment. The degree of improvement in mobility depends again on how much permanent damage has been done.
Patient's have reported improvement in: fatigue, cog fog, eye pain (ON), numbness, tingling and weakness in the arms and legs, muscle spasms, tremors and twitches, migraines, blurry vision, trigeminal neuralgia, tinnitus, poor balance etc., The degree of improvement is as individual as each case. Many cases are associated with permanent damage. Sometimes the permanent damage occurs during trauma. Permanent damage can also occur slowly such as from upper cervical misalignments.
Some patient have rapid improvement. Other cases improve slowly. There is not set schedule. There are many factors involved such as the particulars of the case and the level of experience and skill of the doctor for example that effect the outcome. All cases require on going treatment for life usually because of circumstance that caused the MS in the first place such as trauma. Other patients have genetic structural problems. Some patients spend their days in wheelchairs which throw the body out of alignment. The degree of improvement in mobility depends again on how much permanent damage has been done.
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Hi All
As I have had Neuro Physio treatment today realigning my head shoulders and head I cannot lean forward and type much.
After extensive research and treatments what uprightdoc has said is very accurate.
in my case MS is non existant, My Atlas has misaliged causing further misalignments as I subconsciously adapted to stay upright,
I am in the process of being referred to a spine/spasticity Consultant for rehabilitation.
If I was diagnosed today on a positive MRI. I would have my Atlas checked, be tested for Candida and the possibility of Lyme, as all three are large contenders.
Also google Dr Windman Atlas she lists yet again possible symptoms.
I have to go now as not good to lean forward.
Fiona
As I have had Neuro Physio treatment today realigning my head shoulders and head I cannot lean forward and type much.
After extensive research and treatments what uprightdoc has said is very accurate.
in my case MS is non existant, My Atlas has misaliged causing further misalignments as I subconsciously adapted to stay upright,
I am in the process of being referred to a spine/spasticity Consultant for rehabilitation.
If I was diagnosed today on a positive MRI. I would have my Atlas checked, be tested for Candida and the possibility of Lyme, as all three are large contenders.
Also google Dr Windman Atlas she lists yet again possible symptoms.
I have to go now as not good to lean forward.
Fiona
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wow those improvements sound great but we will have to see how i respond
are there specific types of chiropractic which are best for the upper cervical region...
one chiro i spoke to uses McTimoney technique' for the upper cervical
are there specific types of chiropractic which are best for the upper cervical region...
one chiro i spoke to uses McTimoney technique' for the upper cervical
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Hello Adamt,
I am not familiar enough with the McTimoney method to fully comment on its particular approach. The best chiropractic methods, however, for treating neurodegenerative diseases, such as MS are specific upper cervical and the Cox method of Spinal Decompression. There are different types of specific upper cervical such as Palmer method, Kale Brainstem, Blair method, NUCCA and Atlas Orthogonal (AO). Sacrooccipital Technique (SOT), which also includes Applied Kinesiology (AK) uses craniopathy which can be very helpful, but neither are specific in their approach compared to specific upper cervical.
Specific upper cervical starts with specific x-rays usually taken with head clamps for precise alignment. The x-rays are then analyzed using specific protocols. The adjustment is then delivered along a specific line of correction or vector determined by the x-rays. Specific upper cervical and its variations has been around for over seventy years and has had the input of thousands of doctors. It is based on sound science and been tested and researched. It also follows a scientific approach based on specific protocols that can be reproduced between practioners. The latest MRI studies show that specific upper cervical effects both blood and CSF flow in the brain and cord.
The Cox method of Spinal Decompression has likewise been tested and researched for over forty years. It is one of the most recognized and respected methods in the chiropractic profession. It likewise follows specific analysis and protocols. It is also based on sound science. The Cox method has been shown to work on nearly all other known conditions of the spine and cord starting below the upper cervical spine.
I am not familiar enough with the McTimoney method to fully comment on its particular approach. The best chiropractic methods, however, for treating neurodegenerative diseases, such as MS are specific upper cervical and the Cox method of Spinal Decompression. There are different types of specific upper cervical such as Palmer method, Kale Brainstem, Blair method, NUCCA and Atlas Orthogonal (AO). Sacrooccipital Technique (SOT), which also includes Applied Kinesiology (AK) uses craniopathy which can be very helpful, but neither are specific in their approach compared to specific upper cervical.
Specific upper cervical starts with specific x-rays usually taken with head clamps for precise alignment. The x-rays are then analyzed using specific protocols. The adjustment is then delivered along a specific line of correction or vector determined by the x-rays. Specific upper cervical and its variations has been around for over seventy years and has had the input of thousands of doctors. It is based on sound science and been tested and researched. It also follows a scientific approach based on specific protocols that can be reproduced between practioners. The latest MRI studies show that specific upper cervical effects both blood and CSF flow in the brain and cord.
The Cox method of Spinal Decompression has likewise been tested and researched for over forty years. It is one of the most recognized and respected methods in the chiropractic profession. It likewise follows specific analysis and protocols. It is also based on sound science. The Cox method has been shown to work on nearly all other known conditions of the spine and cord starting below the upper cervical spine.
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Hi!
John my Chiropractor is McTimoney trained Also I know all about BJ Palmer as he had great results with 5 ms patients putting them into full remission, I posted it as a topic on general forum 19th August-titled 5 facts ignored.
Its my sound basis for my blog, that particular subject has been the most viewed by many different Countries, when I read his story I thought "bingo"
In fact I may just bump that one up as is a good read.
Fiona
John my Chiropractor is McTimoney trained Also I know all about BJ Palmer as he had great results with 5 ms patients putting them into full remission, I posted it as a topic on general forum 19th August-titled 5 facts ignored.
Its my sound basis for my blog, that particular subject has been the most viewed by many different Countries, when I read his story I thought "bingo"
In fact I may just bump that one up as is a good read.
Fiona
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I do my own research, and find my own answers Its good to talk
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thanks doc!
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uprightdoc wrote:Hello dc10,
Toggle recoil is a good method but it depends on the quality of the specific x-rays used, and the experience and skills of the doctor.
What you can also do is get the names and websites of facilities in your area and let me check them out to see if I can determine which ones might be more appropriate for your condition. If you are interested then it would be further helpful if I knew a little more about the particulars of your condition.
Hi,
There are 2 chiroprctors i am considering:
http://www.bthcroydon.co.uk/index.html
and
http://www.yorkeclinic.co.uk/
What do you think of their practices? which is prefferable?
'Back to health said they use 'Corrective Chiropractic' while Yorke use McTimoney
- I have had secondary progressive MS for 8 years, my symptoms are:
Mobility - legs stregth / balance / foot drop
Bladder - urgency / frequency
Loss of Libido
I have CCSVI - both Internal Jugular eins (in line with the collar bone) and Azygous vein - these have been balloon dilated 4 months ago
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Hello dc10,
You say you have loss of balance with leg weakness and foot drop that effects your mobility. You also have bladder urgency and fequency along with loss of libido.
Do you have any plain view x-rays of your neck? Do you have any lesions in the brain or cord?
The Yorke Clinic only offers the McTimoney method, which is variation of classic diversified. The Croydon Clinic on the other hand, offers a variety of good techniques. In particular they use low force SOT and AK which includes craniopathy and pelvic blocking. Craniopathy can be very effective if applied appropriately. They also offer toggle recoil upper cervical. I didn't notice if they take specific upper cervical x-rays. If they don't they it's not classic upper cervical. Nonetheless, although it isn't specific upper cervical office, it sounds like a good alternative. Make sure the doctors are fully informed about your history and condition of SP MS for 8 years.
Keep me posted about your condition.
You say you have loss of balance with leg weakness and foot drop that effects your mobility. You also have bladder urgency and fequency along with loss of libido.
Do you have any plain view x-rays of your neck? Do you have any lesions in the brain or cord?
The Yorke Clinic only offers the McTimoney method, which is variation of classic diversified. The Croydon Clinic on the other hand, offers a variety of good techniques. In particular they use low force SOT and AK which includes craniopathy and pelvic blocking. Craniopathy can be very effective if applied appropriately. They also offer toggle recoil upper cervical. I didn't notice if they take specific upper cervical x-rays. If they don't they it's not classic upper cervical. Nonetheless, although it isn't specific upper cervical office, it sounds like a good alternative. Make sure the doctors are fully informed about your history and condition of SP MS for 8 years.
Keep me posted about your condition.
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Uprightdoc,
I am seeing Neuro physiotherapist at moment, alot of pulling and twisting involved quite intensive trying to relieve stuff, but I keep worrying about my Atlas shifting, do you think it would be advisable to see John my Chiropractor for him to just check my Atlas alignment as he is qualified in that area. Volker (physio) is top at his job, but I should still get Johns advice yeah! re my cervical spine.
I'm all a dither, what should I do.
Fiona
I am seeing Neuro physiotherapist at moment, alot of pulling and twisting involved quite intensive trying to relieve stuff, but I keep worrying about my Atlas shifting, do you think it would be advisable to see John my Chiropractor for him to just check my Atlas alignment as he is qualified in that area. Volker (physio) is top at his job, but I should still get Johns advice yeah! re my cervical spine.
I'm all a dither, what should I do.
Fiona
I do my own research, and find my own answers Its good to talk
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No unfortunately i dont have any xrays, however i do have a DVD of my CCSVI procedure - balloon angioplasty. which is an x-ray but i dont know if it would be a clear view of the hole neck - i can copy and paste it here if wanted?
I have several lesions in my brain and one on my lower back,
however this could have changed since the MRI from many years ago
I called the croydon clinic and the receptionist said hey do x-rays of the upper cervical area. So hopefully she is correct.
I have booked an appointment at Croydon which is in 3 weeks time, is there anything in particular i should request or pass on in my appointment?
Many thanks Doctor for your assistance.
I have several lesions in my brain and one on my lower back,
however this could have changed since the MRI from many years ago
I called the croydon clinic and the receptionist said hey do x-rays of the upper cervical area. So hopefully she is correct.
I have booked an appointment at Croydon which is in 3 weeks time, is there anything in particular i should request or pass on in my appointment?
Many thanks Doctor for your assistance.
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Hi Fee,
Unless taken to extremes, pulling and twisting won't cause the upper cervical spine to misalign but you can always have the chiropractor check it on your next visit.
Unless taken to extremes, pulling and twisting won't cause the upper cervical spine to misalign but you can always have the chiropractor check it on your next visit.
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Hi dc10,
Just make sure the doctor is fully aware of your condition of SP MS (balance problems, leg weakness and foot drop, bladder urgency and frequency and loss of libido etc., and lesions in the brain and cord). The doctor should also be aware of the venoplasty.
In addition to upper cervical x-rays, due to the leg weakness, foot drop and low back lesions, I would talk to the doctor about taking AP and Lateral low back x-rays to check for degeneration and curvatures in the lower spine.
As far as your history is concerned, were you ever involved in any car accidents, sports injuries or other types of trauma? Have you ever broken any bones? Do you have a abnormal curvature in your spine? What type of work or play did you do?
I would be interested in seeing your x-rays.
Just make sure the doctor is fully aware of your condition of SP MS (balance problems, leg weakness and foot drop, bladder urgency and frequency and loss of libido etc., and lesions in the brain and cord). The doctor should also be aware of the venoplasty.
In addition to upper cervical x-rays, due to the leg weakness, foot drop and low back lesions, I would talk to the doctor about taking AP and Lateral low back x-rays to check for degeneration and curvatures in the lower spine.
As far as your history is concerned, were you ever involved in any car accidents, sports injuries or other types of trauma? Have you ever broken any bones? Do you have a abnormal curvature in your spine? What type of work or play did you do?
I would be interested in seeing your x-rays.