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Multiple Sclerosis drug Revimmune receives FDA designation

Last post by iKat « Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:43 pm
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by MSUK » Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:03 am

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The U.S. Food and Drug AdministrationbizWatch U.S. Food and Drug Administration granted Orphan Drug Designation to Revimmune, Accentia...

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i didn't think they were using this anymore. Are they going to start trials again? I think the HSCT seems to be more promising that this.

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Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:43 pm
Cyclophosphamide so-so verdict in progressive MS

Last post by 1eye « Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:23 am
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by MSUK » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:10 am

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Patients with secondary progressive multiple sclerosis who were able to stay on cyclophosphamide therapy had a lower risk of further disability, but...

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Since the experts still acknowledge that the cause of MS is unknown, your hypothesis is as good as theirs, in my opinion.

On the other hand, some...

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Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:23 am
Symptoms right after 1st HICY infusion?

Last post by plethora « Mon May 20, 2013 9:44 pm
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by NewHope » Sun May 19, 2013 9:17 am

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Hello,

I am currently undergoing HSCT (Hematopoietic Stem Cell Transplantation) with Dr Burt in Chicago which also involves large doses of chimo -...

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Hi,

I don't have any experience with HSCT, but have read a bit about it. The expert seems to be George Goss, who did HSCT a few years ago and has a...

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Last post by plethora
Mon May 20, 2013 9:44 pm
vitamin D?

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by RedPenguins » Mon May 25, 2009 5:49 pm

Does anyone know how much vitamin D (and what kind? d2 or d3??) the people who did hicy @ Rush are currently taking?

thanks,

keri

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Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:40 am
HiCy in Europe

Last post by LR1234 « Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:15 am
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by Pesho » Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:45 pm

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Hello, I'm new to the disease and the forum :(. I'm searching for a cure like everyone else and the things I'm considering are HSCT or HiCy. Just...

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see MSRC website for personal experiences on many of these treatments.
They are very risky and not to be taken lightly especially if your MS is...

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Last post by LR1234
Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:15 am
cytoxan therapy

Last post by LauraV « Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:54 am
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by MNManWithMS » Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:55 am
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I've been all fo the FDA-approved drug therapies and received no positive benefits. My neurologist mentioned Cytoxan and I really like the idea of...

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Is there much difference between MS cytoxan therapy and the cytoxan therapy they give for breast cancer? I took cytoxan with adriamycin (and...
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Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:54 am
Plans unveiled for new MS drug study for Cyrevia

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by MSUK » Tue May 08, 2012 1:14 am

The leading physicians from Accentia Biopharmaceuticals, Inc. and Johns Hopkins University have presented plans for a randomized clinical trial to...

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Tue May 08, 2012 1:14 am
Cyrevia (Formerly Revimmune)

Last post by LR1234 « Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:10 pm
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by rssugg » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:17 am

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In December, Accentia Bio changed the name of their Multiple Sclerosis therapy Revimmune (HiCy or High Dose Cytoxan) to Cyrevia.

As the company is...

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I am interested in this treatment....seems like its very risky but has the best chance of halting the disease.

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Last post by LR1234
Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:10 pm
Analysis of 40 JH HiCy Patients

Last post by rssugg « Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:31 am
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by Frank » Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:47 am

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Treatment of RRMS with high dose cyclophosphamide induction

CyclophosphamideBackground: Previous studies have described stabilization of aggressive...

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While everyone else was looking and hoping for CCSVI, Revimmune has been slowly getting their ducks in order and is poised to get on the market...

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Last post by rssugg
Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:31 am
Is cyclo really going to help?

Last post by criptastic « Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:23 am
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by Grenaway10 » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:30 pm

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I'm 19 and I decided to do cyclo and I have been home for 4days and was in the hospital for 9 to do the cyclo, but I am already having a attack! So I...

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Hi,

I don't have MS, but another autoimmune disease. I also had several exacerbations in the first few weeks/months following the HiCy. It is...

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Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:23 am
Gots me a date...

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by msmything » Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:18 pm

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Finally, after months of staff changes and screw ups I have a date to enter RUSH's HiCy program.

I'm over the moon, but now that it's real I'M...

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Oh, OK.

I was 48.

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Last post by criptastic
Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:02 am
Hopkins video

Last post by RedPenguins « Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:36 am
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by Lyon » Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:20 pm
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Hi Linda,

I did Copaxone after treatment, from June 09 to early January 10. then I stopped bc I knew I wanted to get pregnant. I am on nothing now...
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Last post by RedPenguins
Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:36 am
Immunizations?

Last post by msmything « Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:34 am
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by Looking88 » Mon Dec 27, 2010 3:33 pm

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Does a person have to re-take their childhood immunizations after the Revimmune protocol?

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I found out that I will receive the first of my childhood ones in about a year, I want to be able to be around children in the future! (grandkids)...

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Last post by msmything
Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:34 am
Tysabri and Revimmune?

Last post by RedPenguins « Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:55 pm
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by Looking88 » Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:14 am

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Anyone have any insight on using Tysabri to bridge the gap until being able to get Revimmune treatment? Know of any problems going from Tysabri to...

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I had a few (2 or 3?) Tysabri treatments before doing HiCy. My last treatment was 30 days before I had HiCy at Hopkins.

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Last post by RedPenguins
Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:55 pm
Starting Chemo for MS in 9 Days. Am I nutz?

Last post by PatGF « Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:24 am
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by Chris1967 » Sat Jan 15, 2011 11:56 am

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Chris here, was wondering if anyone could help. I am scheduled to start cyclophosphomide therapy in 9 days. Its a major infusion, four hours, every...

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I'm glad you are getting great information to make your treatment choices. I was given Cytoxan in 2007 during a particularly bad relapse. I took it...

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Last post by PatGF
Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:24 am
HiCy Success Stories

Last post by Algis « Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:36 pm
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by Looking88 » Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:29 am

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I am having trouble tracking down the long term success stories of HiCy.
Most of the HiCy participant blogs only go for a year and then stop.

Maybe...

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Feels great has no signs of disease activity, either on scan or otherwise.

May I ask: how disabled was she before the treatment?

Thank you :)

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Last post by Algis
Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:36 pm
What tests prior?

Last post by criptastic « Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:33 am
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by msmything » Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:03 am

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Hi everyone!
It looks as if I am accepted by Rush, for a mid january start.

I have 2 questions actually.

First is what insurance covers without a...

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I have myasthenia gravis.

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Last post by criptastic
Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:33 am
HiCy and Mesenchymal Stem Cells?

Last post by Looking88 « Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:24 am

by Looking88 » Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:24 am

Anybody know if HiCy treatment wipes out your Mesenchymal stem cells?

Seems it would be nice to be able to follow HiCy with Mesenchymal stem cell...

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Last post by Looking88
Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:24 am
Accentia biopharmaceuticals announces strategic agreement

Last post by Frank « Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:11 am
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by MSUK » Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:09 am

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Accentia biopharmaceuticals announces strategic agreement with Baxter

Accentia Biopharmaceuticals, Inc. today announced a strategic agreement...

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How is this going to effect the availability of Cyclophosphamide? It is widely used for other indications e.g. cancer, immuno-ablation in ASCT,...

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Last post by Frank
Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:11 am
starting this week, few questions...

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by jackson233 » Sun Oct 03, 2010 2:25 pm

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Hi everyone,

I am starting therapy in the coming weeks and had a few simple questions about the therapy. I understand that my 'infusions' will take...

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Mediport is good. I've had it since 2001. Again, good luck and keep us (ME) posted. We seem to be the only active posters here for a good while!

Crip

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Thu Oct 07, 2010 11:21 am
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Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:18 am
Any new information about Revimmune trial?

Last post by AJWANTSACURE « Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:44 pm
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by Frank » Thu Jun 24, 2010 4:49 am

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I just had a look at the Accentia website where the Revimmune trial status is still pending . Is there any new information about any advance or...

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I spoke with Dr. Harrison at JH, tey are not taking any patients for HI-CY at this time

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Last post by AJWANTSACURE
Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:44 pm
Symptoms

Last post by happytown « Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:15 pm
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by AJWANTSACURE » Mon May 17, 2010 1:38 pm

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im headed down to the Mayoclinic in FL. in June to see a neuro about HiCy. I hope and pray I get it.

now i know everyone is ddifferent, on average...

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That is awesome you all are going to get HiCy. I have talked to Mayo Clinic about it and am supposed to call them back in July to schedule for...

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Last post by happytown
Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:15 pm
My 9 month HiCy follow-up

Last post by happytown « Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:34 am
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by mommasan » Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:00 am
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Had my 9 month at Hopkins. I should preface this by saying that my symptoms have increased over the last 2 months but no reactivation. I will list...

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I have decided to get this treatment also. I am so excited I can hardly wait!
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Last post by happytown
Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:34 am
1 yr post HiCy (2nd round)...Great news!

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by RedPenguins » Mon May 03, 2010 10:26 pm

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Well, this board is mostly dead now...but figured I'd drop a quick update in case anyone ever stops by.

This week marks 1 year since I underwent a...

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Keri congratulations, having a baby is wonderful. So it took to rounds of treatment for you to see improvements? I'm currently in a clinical trial...

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Mon May 31, 2010 11:56 am
DENIED BY CHICAGO

Last post by AJWANTSACURE « Tue May 04, 2010 2:45 am
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by AJWANTSACURE » Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:29 am

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because i have a brain stimulator, chicago will not accept me. I qualify in every other aspect.

They shoould haave done more research, because...

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Red - trried jh, they r on hold right now. trying the mayo clinic in FL

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Last post by AJWANTSACURE
Tue May 04, 2010 2:45 am
cyclophosphamide for MS

Last post by belsadie « Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:58 am
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by amielzbth » Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:51 am
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My fiance is probably going to end up doing this. Has anyone here done it? Or is this Hici the same thing? Please let me know the side effects as you...

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Sorry if I sounded like a naysayer... You're absolutely right. My brain MRI's show no advancement and healing has to be encouraged I do feel some...
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Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:58 am
How Do I Get It????????

Last post by tashenoir « Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:30 pm
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by AJWANTSACURE » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:43 pm

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plain and simple - HOW DO I GET HICY?

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First you have to want it! Sounds like you do! Research it like crazy, so you know what is going to happen.
Make a choice of how you want it. John...

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Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:30 pm
3 month post hicy (round 2) update

Last post by AJWANTSACURE « Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:11 am
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by RedPenguins » Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:16 pm

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Hi again everyone,

Well, it is with sadness that I report that things have been on a downslide for the last two weeks. My previous update, I was on...

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Duke University Hospital gives HiCy? As in duke University Hosp in Durham, NC? That is 20 min from me....guess i should get on the phone and find out...

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Last post by AJWANTSACURE
Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:11 am
GoodBye Tysabri Hello HiCy?

Last post by chrishasms « Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:58 am
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by tashenoir » Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:03 pm

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Just asking for prayers for I will be in Chicago on Monday for my consultation to get HiCy.

Thanks everyone and I wall let you all know, maybe...

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Best thing I ever did. I just came back from my neuro yesterday and I am 2 years out in March. No progression or lesions in 2 years.

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Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:58 am
Chrishadms you tube video and facebook video

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by msisnotforme » Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:44 pm

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I am a friend of Chris who has sat in the corner watching how Revimmune and how CSVI is working. I don't really know how to post but I am going to...

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Great news about your foot Chris!!!! It sounds like Revimmune has really worked for you!! Chris I do not think anyone would disagree with you about...

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Last post by scorpion
Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:58 am
HDC news

Last post by mshusband « Sun Feb 07, 2010 11:27 am
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by ElMarino » Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:33 am

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I hust saw this article:

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I'm telling you ... once CCSVI treatment gets up and running everywhere, the next is stem cells. I know they call this Revimmune ... but what it is...

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Sun Feb 07, 2010 11:27 am
UPDATE FOR REVIMMUNERS

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by chrishasms » Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:33 am

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2 years out. No lesions in 2 years. MRI yesterday clean with more lesion healing. No disease progression in 2 years.

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Yes, very good news indeed, congratulations Chris!

This section of TIMS has been very quiet lately. Thanks so much for coming back to post your...

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Last post by Axiom
Sun Feb 07, 2010 8:22 am
Anyone heard Dr. Kerr is leaving Hopkins?

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by steven73 » Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:04 am

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I received a letter telling me that my next three appointments have been rescheduled with a different doctor so I called and was told he's taking a...

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Any updates Chris? Just wondering how you were doing.

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Sat Jan 23, 2010 6:20 pm
cytoxan user with questions

Last post by msmything « Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:34 pm
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by ldybug477 » Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:42 pm

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Hello forum! I see a lot of posts about the hicy dosage and I don't believe that what I'm doing is considered that.

I initially started almost 5...

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Hi Idybug, I'm sorry no one has given you any input, I for one, have never heard of this protocol.Maybe you could post this question in the copaxone...

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Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:34 pm
Australian treated by this method in Sydney !

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by deluxe_diagnosis » Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:04 am

G'day all ..deluxe here..

long time aussie lurker here with no official dx.

( limboland they call it I think )

Anyway I read this article in...

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Last post by deluxe_diagnosis
Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:04 am
JH article on HDC

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by Frank » Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:23 am

Thats so frustrating! Why is there no funding from the NIH or the health insurances (who would safe a lot of money if HDC gets approved)?

--Frank...

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Last post by Frank
Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:23 am
so happ today!

Last post by chrishasms « Sun Sep 06, 2009 11:07 am
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by mommyju » Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:23 pm

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My husband just got his first appointment scheduled at Johns Hopkins for December 09!!!
Wondering how long after his first appointment he will get...

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Last post by chrishasms
Sun Sep 06, 2009 11:07 am
How many at JH now?!

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by RedPenguins » Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:01 pm
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Ohmygosh - I can count 7 people, including myself, that are here in Baltimore right now receiving HiCy! I'm sure there are more - but these are just...

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We were in a similar boat as you. My husband was diagnosed just over a year ago. He had a rough relapse, and he wanted to get it earlier rather than...
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Last post by greenwave
Thu Sep 03, 2009 1:19 pm
how long did it take for some of you to get in JH??

Last post by mommyju « Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:16 pm
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by mommyju » Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:07 pm

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Hello everybody, my name is Juliana I am new to this board...

my husband has MS and we are trying to get him into JH for Revimmune treatment ASAP...

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Just got an appointment for my husband for December!!! Yeahhh!

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Last post by mommyju
Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:16 pm
Schedule of Post HiCy Follow Up Appointments...

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by steven73 » Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:55 am

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I just completed my first year of every three month appointments. Are we supposed to follow up every three months for the second year as well?...

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My Neuro here in Alabama orders all my tests and he does my labs, EDSS and MSFC at his office then they fax all the results to Dr. Kerr's office. My...

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Last post by pvns2005
Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:09 pm
Chris' update

Last post by chrishasms « Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:55 am
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by chrishasms » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:21 pm

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I got one up on my site.

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No nothing new to report really. I do feel like the disease progression has been slowed dramatically.

The more I watch this CCSVI stuff the more its...

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Last post by chrishasms
Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:55 am
HiCy PPMS Trial

Last post by indigoinmotion « Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:55 am
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by Sport » Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:57 am

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At my appointment with Dr. Kerr last Sept he mentioned that he would be starting a trial of HiCy with a few PPMS patients and he said that he would...

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so discouraging. thanks for checking into this. maybe stem cells is where it's at??

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Last post by indigoinmotion
Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:55 am
My update!

Last post by indigoinmotion « Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:34 pm
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by RedPenguins » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:28 pm

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Hi everyone,

Sorry, I haven't been around lately... (and geez, I missed a lot - especially the CCSVI stuff....gonna head over to that board in a...

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Hi Keri,
Great news!! I'm so happy for you!!
Can you tell me what your condition/symptoms were prior to the treatment?
Live it up, girl!!!
Indigo

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Last post by indigoinmotion
Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:34 pm
CCSVI before HiCy

Last post by chrishasms « Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:41 am
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by LR1234 » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:59 am

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Hi,

Mel had hicy before having stents placed. I wonder if having stents placed and then trying to apply for hicy might not be allowed.

I wonder if...

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You are low on blood about 1 week. Then everything is pretty much back to normal within 2 weeks. I would suggest Revimmune first but the more I am...

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Last post by chrishasms
Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:41 am
Dosage?

Last post by patientx « Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:43 pm
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by LR1234 » Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:15 am
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What is the dosage given of the cyclophosphamide?
I found this article online and was wondering if the dosage is similar.

The objective of this case...

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This might answer your question:
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Last post by patientx
Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:43 pm
Hi-Cy - where and how much?

Last post by rssugg « Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:58 am
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by MSGREG » Sun May 24, 2009 7:35 am

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Hello Everyone: Thank you for posting so many positive comments. It always makes me happy to read them and to know there is some hope to at least...

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Good good! Getting on with life is a good thing! I'm glad everyone is well. Good luck!

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Last post by rssugg
Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:58 am
question

Last post by chrishasms « Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:14 pm
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by guitarguy » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:44 am

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I read revimmune doesnt work with people who dont have any enhancenced lesions. Has anyone recently had this treatment who has not shown...

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Ya its wild for me with Asthma. Ever since that treatment I rarely ever use my inhalers and if I do its the Albuterol inhaler on a dusty day. The...

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Last post by chrishasms
Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:14 pm
Keri??

Last post by LR1234 « Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:21 am
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by chrishasms » Wed Jun 03, 2009 2:10 pm

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How are you???

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Keri I hope you are ok and that we hear from you soon

L x

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Last post by LR1234
Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:21 am
Got an email from Dr. Kerr regarding my MRI on Thursday.

Last post by Sharon « Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:45 am
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by chrishasms » Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:34 am

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got it. the MRI looks great Chris. The MS is completely and totally inactive. Good news!!

That is the email I got from the good doctor verbatim....

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Yes, you deserve a break - HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!

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Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:45 am

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