Coronavirus (COVID-19): What You Need To Know

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Re: Coronavirus (COVID-19): What You Need To Know

Post by jimmylegs » Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:33 am

noted, your claim that Zelenko's work is based on Raoult's cannot be substantiated at this time. the relevant publications don't exist. a media link re Raoult vs an instruction to look him up makes a reasonable contribution to the conversation. direct links to relevant research publications would be even better.
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Re: Coronavirus (COVID-19): What You Need To Know

Post by NHE » Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:04 pm

EGCG inhibits both the cellular uptake of folate as well as the processing of dietary folate into methylfolate. Over time, the inhibition of folate can lead to a B12 deficiency which can cause demyelination. viewtopic.php?f=27&t=26996

I would recommend quercetin over EGCG. I eat lots of onions.

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Re: Coronavirus (COVID-19): What You Need To Know

Post by Petr75 » Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:51 pm

Face masks

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Cloth Face Coverings vs Masks

Post by jimmylegs » Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:38 am

re cloth face coverings vs masks (no one i have encountered as of midday today Apr 4 is bothered, apparently - except yours truly and my hiking buddy).
  • Recommendation Regarding the Use of Cloth Face Coverings, Especially in Areas of Significant Community-Based Transmission (April 3)
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... cover.html

    How to Make Your own Face Covering
    "It is critical to emphasize that maintaining 6-feet social distancing remains important to slowing the spread of the virus. CDC is additionally advising the use of simple cloth face coverings to slow the spread of the virus and help people who may have the virus and do not know it from transmitting it to others. Cloth face coverings fashioned from household items or made at home from common materials at low cost can be used as an additional, voluntary public health measure.

    The cloth face coverings recommended are not surgical masks or N-95 respirators. Those are critical supplies that must continue to be reserved for healthcare workers and other medical first responders, as recommended by current CDC guidance."

one square of cloth, 6 folds, 2 rubber bands. "it's that easy"
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  • Can masks protect against the new coronavirus infection?
  • When and how to wear medical masks to protect against coronavirus
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Post by NHE » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:03 am

5 Things To Know About Coronavirus And People With Disabilities

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewpulr ... 2589051d21

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Post by NHE » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:14 am

Pa. residents with disabilities worry coronavirus rationing will deem them expendable

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/04/p ... dable.html

Some might consider it far-fetched for people with disabilities to fear they won’t be given a ventilator if they’re near death because of COVID-19. Or that the ventilator they use daily might be given to someone else if they are critically ill and resources are scarce.

But such possibilities don’t feel far-fetched to those who live their lives struggling against people and policies that devalue them or treat them as expendable.

“It’s always in the back of my mind — will they value me as a woman, as a wife, as a mother, as a professional? Or will I be looked at differently because I have a disability?,” says Shona Eakin, 50, who lives in Erie County and has cerebral palsy. “It’s a fear. It’s a fear generated by experience.”

That fear has escalated as the exponential rise in critically-ill COVID-19 patients threatens to overwhelm the supply of ventilators and intensive care beds. Suddenly, there’s serious discussion of how to choose who gets life-saving equipment and care when there’s no longer enough to go around.

“That keeps us up at night,” says German Parodi, 35, a Philadelphia-area resident and quadriplegic.

Government officials from the Trump administration on down have been side-stepping the issue, stressing the way to prevent such worst-case scenarios is for everyone to follow social distancing practices intended to limit spread of the coronavirus and minimize the number of people who need hospitalization and intensive care.

At the same time, it’s clear state officials and hospital administrators around the country are circulating policies for the rationing of ventilators and ICU beds

There are signs such situations are near, if not already happening. The Washington Post this week reported that some New York City hospitals, flooded with critically-ill coronavirus cases, have told staff not to resuscitate some patients, such as those in cardiac arrest. At another hospital, doctors were cleared to designate, based on their own judgment, certain patients as “do-not-resuscitate” or “do-not-intubate,” the Post reported.

For people with disabilities, the frightening possibilities became vivid as it recently came to light that some states have policies that name disabilities as possible criteria for deciding who gets a ventilator.

Pam Auer, who has spina bifida, rejects such criteria for many reasons, including the fact people with disabilities have histories of beating the odds and proving doctors wrong.

“Look how many healthy people are dying [of COVID-19],” says Auer, the director of Living Well With A Disability at Center for Independent Living of Central PA. “We’ve lived this long. Give us a chance.”

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Post by NHE » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:53 am

Coronavirus shows everyone what people with disabilities have known all along
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-ne ... all-along/

It seemed to happen in the blink of an eye. Accommodations that people with disabilities had requested for years were implemented nearly overnight.

Jobs that were supposedly impossible to accommodate from home could suddenly be worked remotely. Employees who felt sick were no longer asked to prove it with a doctor’s note; they were given the benefit of the doubt and paid to stay home. Telemedicine, or the ability to get health care remotely, was quickly supported with millions of dollars from the federal government.

These changes were, of course, due to the coronavirus pandemic, which turned what were long ignored priorities for disabled and sick people into priorities for everyone.

ChrisTiana ObeySumner is a Seattle-based social equity and intersectional disability justice consultant who has multiple disabilities.

“Where was this urgency and empathy before?” ObeySumner said. “[This experience has shown that] if something is important for [non-disabled people], for their survival, for their protection, they will put that in place.”

Carrie Basas is a disabled, Seattle-based disability justice advocate. She says people with disabilities are watching the rapid changes and wondering if when the pandemic is over, the accommodations allowed for non-disabled people will continue for disabled people.

“There is that irony now for disabled people … [are we] going to remain in this mode where we start to honor that remote work can still be work, or if when we come back and settle into anything that’s the new normal, if we’ll continue to question that for disabled people.”

In anticipation of a potential shift back to the old ways, disability rights advocates have compiled a “digital paper trail” of all the ways accommodations were made for non-disabled people during the coronavirus outbreak as proof that those accommodations can be achieved when there is a will.

In addition to physical and economic threats from the coronavirus, people with disabilities face another existential threat. Will their lives be seen as valuable if life-saving care begins to be rationed? When there aren’t enough ventilators to go around, will their lives be seen as worth saving? A complaint filed by advocates for people with disabilities last week over Washington state guidelines for potential rationing of care argued that the rules would leave people with disabilities to die.

Basas said the concern is very real. “I don’t trust doctors to value my life the same way that I do,” she said. “[When] you’re disabled, you’re not going to be ranked very high up on that list for getting that care and getting that equipment.”

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Re: Coronavirus (COVID-19): What You Need To Know

Post by jimmylegs » Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:04 pm

'old' news
  • As coronavirus spread speeds up, Montreal researchers will trial an anti-viral treatment for COVID-19 in China (Feb 28)
    https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/the ... -1.5480134

    "Quercetin has already proven successful at treating Ebola and Zika viruses

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    Low cost
    Some patients infected with COVID-19 are currently being treated with a variety of anti-viral drugs, some with a price tag upwards of $1,000 per injection, Mbikay says.

    Quercetin, by comparison, would cost just $2 per day.

    "It is not expensive. It's a natural product. It's found in nature and purified from plants. Compared to what is available now, and that is being tried in China right now, it doesn't compare in terms of price," Mbikay said.

    Chrétien adds that quercetin is an oral drug, which provides benefits over intravenous anti-virals."
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Re: Coronavirus (COVID-19): What You Need To Know

Post by jimmylegs » Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:24 pm

a couple of studies in the works....
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results? ... ity=&dist=
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Re: Coronavirus (COVID-19): What You Need To Know

Post by NHE » Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:52 am

jimmylegs wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:13 pm
related discussion

https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/commen ... as_a_zinc/
The full version of the article is available from...

Zinc Ionophore Activity of Quercetin and Epigallocatechin-gallate: From Hepa 1‑6 Cells to a Liposome Model
https://sci-hub.tw/https://www.ncbi.nlm ... d/25050823

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Re: Snopes: Has Dr. Zelenko Successfully Treated 669 Coronavirus Patients?

Post by vesta » Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:40 am

jimmylegs wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:01 pm
Has Dr. Zelenko Successfully Treated 669 Coronavirus Patients?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/zelen ... -patients/

"A blog post asserting that people responded well to an experimental COVID-19 treatment is in no way an evidence-based contribution to science.

Unproven"

i will be pleased if just 50mg of elemental zinc per day (ie 220 mg zinc sulfate) can be verified as a meaningful contribution to covid-19 treatment. i'm taking more zinc than that as a status quo right now anyway, as well as adhering to public health recommendations and restrictions. not planning to need antimalarial antivirals like hydroxychloroquine, or antibiotics like azithromycin to combat secondary bacterial infection either. we shall see whether researchers will conduct a trial of this person's proposed approach.
Studies are apparently underway on Dr Zalenko's approach which includes administering zinc
along with chloroquine and an antibiotic as treatment for COVID 19. Let's say the role of chloroquine is to activate the zinc, that without the zinc it will have little effect. What kind of zinc supplementation would you recommend? I'm in France and delivery of supplements is incertain. I have on hand the following: (cellulose micro-cristalline, biglycinate of zinc, hydroxypropylcellulose, silice and salts of magnesium of fatty acid, pyridoxal-5-phosphate) OR is there a particular zinc I should look for. Actually, this is encouraging news.
Thanks, Vesta

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Re: Coronavirus (COVID-19): What You Need To Know

Post by jimmylegs » Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:59 pm

i look forward to the results of any related science. not super impressed with candidate studies so far:

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results? ... d=covid-19

re zinc supplementation, without access to a lot more detailed personal info, may as well just stick to national public health recommendations via whatever product is handy.
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Post by 1eye » Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:19 am

Legs:

Thank you for continuing to work on this. I guess if we're distancing and staying at home we may have time to read and look at videos, so I offer this one, in case you are in the youtube rabbit-hole anyway (I am):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWzbArPgo-o

Things I learned:

COVID might be transmitted through the water supply. So I am starting my own boil-water order. I was on distilled water for other reasons but I can't get it.

It causes organ failure which in my case might come earlier than in other people. So I am cutting out candy, to give my liver and kidneys a break.

Anyway you might be interested; it takes a longish time to watch but very interesting.

Currently I have cold sores which are not responding to soap. If you watch this video you might see why (there are other viruses): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DGwOJXSxqg Not as long.

Chris

PS supplementing magnesium, zinc, and vitamin D
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Re: Coronavirus (COVID-19): What You Need To Know

Post by 1eye » Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:56 am

quercetin and zinc:

has this already been posted?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIymfznD7YA

Interesting, but don't forget this guy: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/24/us/c ... virus.html

don't self-medicate with fish-tank stuff: quinine water is not quercetin

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/mrt/2013/141734/

Seems zinc and quercetin is good for you...

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Re: Coronavirus (COVID-19): What You Need To Know

Post by jimmylegs » Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:46 am

even now, i don't personally have time to try to vet youtube videos for credibility.

i have not had a cold sore for as long as i can remember, and that's even with letting things slide a bit since my last doc retired. i would have thought i had relevant research posted on here but maybe it's been thinned.

re z&q, i took down all my related research-evidence-based speculation. i will consider reposting such material in the natural approach forum, where the bulk of such posts are already located, but haven't done so yet.
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