SPASM AND STIFFNESS AS SPASTICITY
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sou: does it say on the bottle, how much elemental magnesium is delivered in the 400mg pill?
dania: have you ever had serum or RBC magnesium tested to ensure that your supplemental regimen was absorbing properly? if i had terrible spasticity and magnesium pills did not work, i'd look at serum first and then RBC levels to make sure they were optimal, before i gave up on magnesium as a potential solution.
if a patient is deficient in magnesium and suffering from spasticity, the sooner the deficiency is corrected the better!
@greek: hopefully we can get your levels optimized!
pursue optimal self care at least as actively as a diagnosis
ask for referrals to preventive health care specialists eg dietitians
don't let suboptimal self care muddy any underlying diagnostic picture!
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You really do not get it. I am getting to be a quad. All my symptoms are extreme. What you are telling me is that I am not looking after myself, in the best way possible. Many years ago I know of a MS patient that went to a naturopath who told her the reason she had MS was because she did not love herself. We now know that type of thinking is a load of crap. My spasticity totally disappeared above my waist 6 hours after CCSVI procedure and was reduced by 50% below my waist. And I was not taking magnesium at the time. Do you get it? My veins are now !00% blocked. To keep harping at us is just as effective as telling a cancer patient whose treatment did not work that take this and that and you will get better.
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However, I usually take 4 x 25mg Baclofen/day + one at about 3.00am, as I get super stiff legs in bed. The Baclofen definitely helps, but not perfect.
The last three days I have been drinking a glass of Indian Tonic Water in the evening, & one in the morning - and No Baclofen. The Quinnine in the tonic water has been much, much better for me than
the Baclofen.
No stiffness at all at night, & able to bend at the knee easily.
Another MS'er friend of mine has done the same thing, and says it has alleviated spasms & cramp.
I also take LDN & 4-AP - no DMD's
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constipation is one thing, helped by insoluble inabsorbable magnesium - spasticity is something else, helped by soluble absorbable magnesium.
all right: if your serum magnesium is above 0.90 and your rbc magnesium is also high normal, then yes, your spasticity is something magnesium can't help.
other patients with documented magnesium deficiency can and should address this issue.
all the best - please don't feel you need to spend your time here on a topic concerned with resolving someone else's recalcitrant magneisum deficiency.
pursue optimal self care at least as actively as a diagnosis
ask for referrals to preventive health care specialists eg dietitians
don't let suboptimal self care muddy any underlying diagnostic picture!
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If angioplasty made my spasticity disappear, hours after getting it done, then as far as I am concerned my spasticity was never related to magnesium.
@THEGREEKFROMTHED, I have had 2 angios. I tried another 3 times with 2 different doctors and both could not get thru. Said my veins are completely blocked with scarring.
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Apart from magnesium, is there anything else we could do? How about the indian tonic water? Do you have more information about it?
sou
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i'm asking if cbc and rbc "magnesium" are normal, and if so what is the exact number with units.
the 'normal' range includes a lot of ms patients, at the low end rather than the high end.
myself, i prefer to be in the 'healthy controls' section of the normal range. for example my uric acid used to be stuck on the ms average of 194. ('normal' range 140-360)
then i identified and fixed my zinc deficiency (mine was a more extreme prob than your typical ms patient) and my uric acid shot up to the 270s. the healthy controls zone is 290-300.
if renewed blood flow delivered more essential nutrients to starved tissues, i can certainly see how venoplasty helped make a difference. i used the klenner protocol's niacin flush in a similar way to send powerful bursts of blood through my veins. ginko biloba also worked, made me a LOT smarter back when i was really sick. don't need it any more thankfully

thanks sou, and as for quinine in tonic water, check this out!:
The effects of quinine on the calcium and magnesium content of the sarcoplasmic reticulum and the temperature-dependence of quinine contractures
http://www.springerlink.com/content/k536n165q8t67kx4/
"A significant decrease in the Ca2+ and increase in the Mg2+ content of the terminal cisternae (TC) of the sarcoplasmic reticulum (SR) during quinine contraction was demonstrated by electron probe analysis of rapidly frozen frog muscles."
wiki:
Terminal cisternae are enlarged areas of the sarcoplasmic reticulum surrounding the transverse tubules. These discrete regions within the muscle cell store calcium (increasing the capacity of the sarcoplasmic reticulum to release calcium) and release it when an action potential courses down the transverse tubules, eliciting muscle contraction.
The endoplasmic reticulum (ER) is an eukaryotic organelle that forms an interconnected network of tubules, vesicles, and cisternae within cells.
The sarcoplasmic reticulum (SR), from the Greek sarx, ("flesh"), is a special type of smooth ER found in smooth and striated muscle.
pursue optimal self care at least as actively as a diagnosis
ask for referrals to preventive health care specialists eg dietitians
don't let suboptimal self care muddy any underlying diagnostic picture!
Re: SPASM AND STIFFNESS AS SPASTICITY
pursue optimal self care at least as actively as a diagnosis
ask for referrals to preventive health care specialists eg dietitians
don't let suboptimal self care muddy any underlying diagnostic picture!
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* optimizing magnesium
* loving oneself
* venoplasty of the jugulars
may improve spasticity, or do nothing, depending on the degree of neurological damage as the cause of spasticity. (i.e., if it's vascular-related or nutrient-related, one of the above may help, but if it is severe neurological damage, then all we can offer is comradery.)
We haven't had many answers for the original question. I would guess that spasticity is sometimes relieved and sometimes not by venoplasty. It wasn't one of my symptoms, and it sounds like a hell of a symptom, so I haven't had anything to chime in.
Greek, did you ever have a repeat venoplasty?
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