CCSVI and CCVBP

DrKoontzDC · Post by **DrKoontzDC** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:17 am

NZer1 wrote:Hi Dr's I have a question for each of you.
If a vertebra goes out of alignment not necessarily regular but more when it does go out, is it often the same position of misalignment. I am assuming if yes it is due to damage or repair malformation of the disc material? I had the original thought that the muscles dictate the misalignment then I realized that the disc material and inflammation and repair could misalign the spine.

The second question is regarding the blood flow into the brain, which if restricted will compound any restriction issues for the veins. I take it that flow in and flow out will be interdependent. If a person has low BP as I do and mis alignments as I do and vein malformations and flow restrictions and back flow (which I don't know if I do) there will be need for a multi skills approach and plan for improving the entire situation?

Nigel,

Yes, more often than not the vertebrae will move out of alignement in a similiar fashion each time though there are more mechanisms involved than it just having to do with the disc. Also, between the Occiput and Atlas, the Atlas and Axis there is no disc, it is a bone on bone articulation.

Regarding your second question, Upper Cervical misalignments can cause arterial and venous restrictions further complicating and exacerbating any pre-existing condition such as arterial and venous malformations. Such pre-existing malformations can cause people with them to be more susceptible to other conditions when complicated by spinal misalignments. However the question I'd like to raise is how did your body function normally before the MS symptoms set in?

Before considering surgery to work on fixing the malformations I'd highly suggest that you get checked by a TRUE Upper Cervical Chiropractor. Make sure you give it some time so you can see results as well. Reversing and alleviating MS Symptoms through Upper Cervical Chiropractic Care takes time. After enough time has gone by you will be in a better position to make a decision as to whether or not surgery is warranted and needed.

uprightdoc · Post by **uprightdoc** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:19 am

Hello NZer1,
You are correct. Permanent damage to the discs of the spine, ligaments or muscles as well as inherited structural design tend to cause people to misalign in patterns. Costumenational struck the right side of his head when he crashed his motorcycle. Striking the right side tilted his head to the left side and rotated his C2 vertebra to the right. From now on he will tend to always misalign that way

Blood flow problems oftentimes do require a multiprong approach.

NZer1 · Post by **NZer1** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:02 am

Thank you both for your replies it makes a difference when I can understand what is happening, there is so much guess work about MS it is good to find some sense in this mystery.
Thanks, Nigel

uprightdoc · Post by **uprightdoc** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:07 am

Kathryn333 I’ve had symptoms for a very long time, 30-odd years. I had my first bout of nystagmus when I was 20, treated with steroids, but never told by the ophthalmologist he suspected MS. I had various symptoms for the next eight years until my first child was born. Six months later, the right side of my body went numb, could stick pins in me, no feeling. I also had nystagmus again, treated with steroids, told it was probably MS, nothing could be done, go home and live with it. I also have bad posture, and I just considered it a family thing. My grandfather, mother and two of my uncles all had the same rounded shoulder posture problems. My grandfather had a stroke, one uncle had Alzheimer’s disease and my mother had whatever I have, I believe. I also have low blood pressure and would never associate it with any of this until I found this site.
I have no x-rays, just copies of MRI reports.
My symptoms are fatigue, lethargy, weakness, trouble writing, vision problems, cog fog, memory, concentration, lost organizational ability, numbness, tingling, burning and I’m sure more that I’ve forgotten.
I’m on two lists for the Liberation Treatment, so I have time to explore other things. The only thing I ever associated numbness and tingling with is MS. In your opinion, is it possible my symptoms are related to posture or something else?
My grandfather’s stroke was very debilitating. He was paralyzed on the left side and confined to a wheelchair. He also had high BP and they discovered he was diabetic at the time of the stroke. As for my uncle, I know there are many types of dementia, but I didn’t know there was more than one type of Alzheimer’s disease. The loss of memory was described to me once as like the peeling of an onion, and that’s was it was like. I realize now how important the family history is, and I didn’t mention that my uncle also had a stroke. His speech and swallowing were affected and he didn’t walk again. A cousin also had a stroke in his 50s, speech affected and he walks with a cane.
My MRI was done in 2005, and it reads as follows:
“This examination demonstrates extensive bihemispheric periventricular and deep white matter lesions, in keeping with the clinical diagnosis of MS. There is at least one lesion in the left deep cerebellar nuclei. I am not convinced any other definite posterior fossa lesions. There is evidence of axonal loss in a number of the white matter lesions, in both hemispheres.”
I had one major attack shortly after the MRI was done, and the cognitive issues got worse.
They didn’t do MR angiograms.

Kathryn333 - as I mentioned previously, although you didn't mention headaches I placed you in the migraine variant category, which I attribute to ischemia (decreased arterial blood and oxygen flow) more than drainage. Cases such as yours overlap a condition called leukoaraiosis and CADASIL migraines. Your best bet is to keep you upper cervical spine aligned to maximize blood and CSF flow and improve the position of the brainstem inside the cranial vault as you probably tend toward a Chiari Zero malformation. Aside from that you have a significant family history that suggests susceptibility to circulatory problems and you have low blood pressure. In Traditional Chineese Medicine you would be diagnosed as having low chi or vitality. Among other things, low chi is associated with sluggish blood flow, weak or sluggish digestion, and poor respiration and oxygenation. CADASIL migraines are associated with genetically weak blood vessels. Many foods and supplements are know to improve the strength of the blood vessels such as bioflavinoids, rutins, and hesperdines to name a few. Exercise is also a must in the long-term management of your case. Chronic ischemia can be improved and diet and exercise are essential. So are phytonutrients.

Kathryn333 · Post by **Kathryn333** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:42 pm

Dr. Flanagan, thank you so much for such a detailed and thoughtful reply. You were right again, I do suffer from headaches. I was surprised to see that I hadn’t included them on my list of symptoms, but the list was quite long, and the headaches were way down on my list of concerns. I never thought of them as migraines, but they are frequent. Thank you for your explanation of what is going on. I’ve just googled some of the things you mentioned (couldn’t find rutins and hesperdines), and I’ll go to the health food store this week. I’m also going to start exercising again. Three years ago I used to go to the gym 3 – 4 times a week until I had an attack at the gym and never went back. Fatigue and weakness are real problems. I'll let you know how I’m doing. I’ll also continue with my upper cervical treatments. I have an appointment this week.
Thank you again for everything. I feel encouraged and hopeful that I may start to feel better. It's been a discouraging few months.

costumenastional · Post by **costumenastional** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:14 am

uprightdoc wrote:From now on he will tend to always misalign that way

I am not looking forward to proove you right on this one Dear Dr Flanagan. Actually, I hope for a miracle. To see my C2 in place sometime in the not too distant future. For good. After all, miracles DO happen

whyRwehere · Post by **whyRwehere** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:36 am

Doctors,
Is it possible to wear some sort of back brace once you have been adjusted?
Why

uprightdoc · Post by **uprightdoc** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:50 am

Hello Athens,
I hope you get realigned as well. But like most people you will slip out of place from time to time. When you do it will tend to be the same pattern.

DrKoontzDC · Post by **DrKoontzDC** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:51 am

whyRwehere wrote:Doctors,
Is it possible to wear some sort of back brace once you have been adjusted?
Why

whyRwehere,

Wearing a back brace is not necessary nor recommended following an adjustment. The body actually needs to be flexible and to have movement in the joints. Back braces are only really necessary if you have a particular problem which could be exacerbated by movement such as a fracture. In fact, wearing a brace of any kind i.e. back, neck, cast, for too long can weaken and atrophy the musculature that it surrounds. Muscle atrophy can then lead to further problems possibly even complicating an existing problem.

uprightdoc · Post by **uprightdoc** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:54 am

whyrwehere,
It is certainly possible to wear a back brace after an adjustment. In practice, however, I rarely used cervical collars or back braces for my patients.

whyRwehere · Post by **whyRwehere** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:03 am

Hi,
Thanks, I was just wondering.

uprightdoc · Post by **uprightdoc** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:04 am

Kathryn333,
Bioflavinoids, rutins and hesperdines are part of the vitamen C complex. In oranges they are found in the white skin between the flesh and the fruit. Vitamen C complex strengthens the integrity of cell walls to prevent leaking. You also need a sound diet that supports the health of the circulatory system and you want to be cautious using blood thinners like aspirin that increase bleed time.

HappyPoet · Post by **HappyPoet** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:43 am

Hi Dr. Flanagan,

I thought you might like to see this post made by Joan Beal on her Facebook page, "CCSVI in Multiple Sclerosis," followed by a reply post made by Arlene Hubbard:

CCSVI in Multiple Sclerosis [says] Lots in the news about "new" studies on MS, heat and cognitive problems. The upright doc explains the connection to CCSVI--it's all in the veins.

CCSVI, Brain Cooling and Blood Flow | Alzheimer's, Parkinson's and Multiple Sclerosis
uprightdoctor.wordpress.com
"The upper cervical spine plays an important role in the venous drainage system of the brain, brain blood flow and brain cooling. Back pressure against the vertebral venous outlets in the upper cervical spine can thus be a cause of CCSVI, decreased blood flow and decreased cooling capacity of the brain"
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Arlene Pellar Hubbard [says] I'm reading his book and he makes very interesting points.

uprightdoc · Post by **uprightdoc** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:33 am

Hello Poet,

Thank-you for the terrific report from Joan Beal and Arlene Hubbard. For Joan to include me on her FB page along with Arlene's comments is a big plus. It may be the key to open the fortress.

Dr. Schelling also wrote several good comments on my blog yesterday. His support is likewise huge. He recently sent a patient to the US for NUCCA intervention and the patient had excellent results. He was very pleased.

Hopefully this will lead to a collaborative effort. Both CCSVI and CCVBP can be tested simultaneously using the exact same protocols established by Haake and Zamboni with the addition of inexpensive plain view x-rays. No one has all the answers, but if we all put our heads together we just might get it figured out sooner rather than later.

HappyPoet · Post by **HappyPoet** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:14 am

uprightdoc wrote:Hello Poet,

Thank-you for the terrific report from Joan Beal and Arlene Hubbard. For Joan to include me on her FB page along with Arlene's comments is a big plus. It may be the key to open the fortress.

Dr. Schelling also wrote several good comments on my blog yesterday. His support is likewise huge. He recently sent a patient to the US for NUCCA intervention and the patient had excellent results. He was very pleased.

Hopefully this will lead to a collaborative effort. Both CCSVI and CCVBP can be tested simultaneously using the exact same protocols established by Haake and Zamboni with the addition of inexpensive plain view x-rays. No one has all the answers, but if we all put our heads together we just might get it figured out sooner rather than later.

deserves repeating