Will it really get better?

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ashlynsMYTH
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Will it really get better?

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Hi, everyone. I am a 20 year old female, and my printed medical history would probably weigh more than I do. Which is part of the problem, if it is MS.

About a year and a half ago, I took a semester off from college for health reasons; trouble concentrating, fatigue, and back pain. At the time, I was also experiencing a strange tingling in my legs at around the same time everyday. I got better, stopped seeing my ortho (I could've sued), and started seeing a chiropractor. The ortho said things like, "stress, all in your head, perhaps a bone spur?..."

Anyway, it turns out that my neck is, quite literally, backwards. The ortho had all that he needed (expensive X-rays, and an MRI that I was double charged for because the tech did the wrong body part), but never told me that my spine is bent in two places and I have moderate-severe kyphosis likely due to whiplash.

I've been receiving treatment for the back issues, but different, less concrete problems are occurring. For at least 4 months now, I've been trying to figure it out (with doctors), and so far I know that my thyroid is off (taking synthroid), but the doctor says that my neuro issues cannot stem from that. At times, I cannot even remember a word, much less a sentence, in the time it takes to read it to when I'm frantically trying to write it down.

I'm often dizzy and feel off-balance, and sometimes I get the spins. I had a stress fracture in my foot about 4 months ago, but I still get pain and swelling. I had to drop jazz dance class, and I had been so excited :cry:

I get this weird, pulsing feeling down my neck, particularly when bending it. I cannot problem solve or retain new information, and I find myself misspelling things often. These last three are a particular worry for me, as I have always enjoyed being an intellectual.

My hand locks up inexplicably, immobile for seconds at a time, it freaks me out. I've also noticed that I cannot wear high-necked shirt or tops that are tight around my rib cage because I feel like they constrict my breathing.

The tingling comes and goes, and is irregular. I feel cold easily, but I hate being in the heat. On christmas eve, I nearly went to the emergency room because the tingling was intense in my toes-calves, fingers-wrists, and behind my bottom teeth, accompanied by an ominous dizzy sensation. I regret not going, I wish it could've been documented.

The doctor that diagnosed my stress fracture and my thyroid issue was very understanding and concerned, so he told me to see a neurologist. I went, he made fun of me. Not joking, he said "Ohh redheads close enough to blonde." in front of my likewise redheaded mom, as if some stereotype for ditsy behavior explains anything. He said my small stature explains my pains and fracture, so basically I'm just a fragile little lady. He wouldn't let go of the fact that I work at a pizza shop, and don't drink. I don't drink.

He also called my mental health into question, citing medications I was prescribed when I was 14 years old. He told me to see a psychiatrist and... get this, an endocrinologist. Because he believes there is something wrong with me, just not something he can help with. He did order an MRI, saying he would be surprised if anything came back but I'll get back to that.

I immediately decided that I needed a second opinion. I went back to my student health doc, he gave a referral, and I went to a second doc. It was similar, I went in alone despite the nurse asking 3 or 4 times if I wanted to bring my boyfriend back with me. No, I wanted to take charge and do it myself.

He did the basic neuro exam, omitted comment on things I felt I were abnormal (walking on heels, neck pain when bent, couldn't even manage one nose-finger touch thing). He said caffeine sensitivity and see a UROLOGIST. He told me to eliminate caffeine and limit my beverage consumption to 6 hours a day, which I'm pretty sure he done goofed the math, since that would kill me, but I have no other signs of caffeine sensitivity and have been drinking the same amount since before high school.

He was also fairly inappropriate, he caressed my leg and whether intentionally or not, he looked up my skirt (benefit of the doubt, the positioning was part of the exam, but how uncomfortable he was seemed unprofessional). He said "It's not MS." Despite not showing proof.

Present day, I had to miss an MRI because I have a dermal anchor facial piercing (it's been through 3 MRIs, but they have more strict protocol at this hospital) they refused to do the MRI. Now, that first doctor has insisted I seek psychiatric help, his nurse left a voicemail in which she snootily said "and you missed your MRI because of a piercing", and they have informed me that they will be contacting my GP to revoke my Vyvanse prescription because he thinks I need sedatives and mood stabilizers. I've been on them, they make me miserable and intensify my anxiety, I am comfortable with my vyvanse and I don't abuse it. It cured my social anxiety (which was likely Attention related to begin with).

I've had to ask for extenstions on my final papers (I've never turned a paper in late in my life) and take leave from work because I couldn't make it a full shift without getting super dizzy, dropping things, or getting too disoriented to perform basic functions. Now, my mom has a brother, who is an excellent primary care physician up state and he thinks that I need a spinal tap and comprehensive MRI's. I'm thinking about making the trip up there.

I just wanted to ask, is this normal, are doctors really like this or am I just unfortunate? Also, if it is MS, and they find proof, will it really be better? I am so tired and weak and confused and I feel like my loved ones are tired of hearing it (though all of them believe me, not a single one doubts my credibility). Any advice?
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oh and I tried to make an account today, it was like that username and email are already registered. I was like "Whaaa? Well, at least I'm consistent."
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Hi ashlynsMYTH, and welcome! I'm sorry you're having so many medical issues to deal with and have been confronted with so many doctor issues as well. I have to say that in my journey through the medical community the last few years, I've run into some of the best and also the WORST doctors. There's not much that surprises me any more.

I don't have time to address some of your questions yet, but I did want to note that I edited your post to break up the long block of text into shorter paragraphs -- without changing a single word. It was impossible for my brain and my tri-focals to read it otherwise. :smile: I hope that will make it easier for others to respond also.

I know that I'm generally alone in my opinion (as usual :smile: ), but I'll personally be eternally grateful that no one ever diagnosed me with MS earlier and tried to treat me for it; I was diagnosed at age 52 and likely had it for at least 30 years before that.

Over those years I had learned to adjust and adapt and accept my wayward body until I came up with a healthy diet/exercise routine so that, on the day of my diagnosis, I felt healthier than I had in my whole life. Seriously. You can't go wrong with trying to optimize your general health in the meantime.

Plus, by then, my brainful of MS-specific lesions :smile: gave me an almost 'instant' diagnosis on the first MRI, without the years of testing that others go through.

Good luck to you!
Dx'd with MS & HNPP (hereditary peripheral neuropathy) 7/03 but must have had MS for 30 yrs before that. I've never taken meds for MS except 1 yr experiment on LDN. (I found diet, exercise, sleep, humor, music help me the most.)
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ashlynsMYTH wrote:
Now, my mom has a brother, who is an excellent primary care physician up state and he thinks that I need a spinal tap and comprehensive MRI's. I'm thinking about making the trip up there.

I just wanted to ask, is this normal, are doctors really like this or am I just unfortunate? Also, if it is MS, and they find proof, will it really be better? I am so tired and weak and confused and I feel like my loved ones are tired of hearing it (though all of them believe me, not a single one doubts my credibility). Any advice?
Hi again,
I have to add that many of your current complaints could easily be caused by some of your other medical conditions, like your spinal & thyroid issues, and doctors tend to focus on that, like they do once you have a diagnosis of MS. It's most important that you find a general care physician who will look past those previous diagnoses and help sort through it all. If your uncle is willing, maybe he can help you find one more competent & understanding.

I was diagnosed quickly (with MS & HNPP) by a brilliant physiatrist or rehab doctor (neuro/muscular/spinal specialist), then my first neuro was abusive! The physiatrist was able to observe me through all those areas -- not just the neuro area -- and spotted clues that I hadn't even told him about. In fact, I only mentioned a tremor in one finger.

The problem is that MS is NOT easy to diagnose (usually), and there is really no "proof" or definitive test for it. There's no cure or treatment to make it all "better" outside of symptom meds and therapy like PT, or by improving your general health, which you can address without a diagnosis. The symptoms of MS are similar to any other neurological disease, and besides that, each of us has a completely unique presentation.

In my case, most all my current ailments are likely due to my many other medical conditions and my ageing body rather than MS. My MS is so old (had it at least from age 22) that the MS meds are likely useless for me.

I wish you well, and please keep us posted.
Dx'd with MS & HNPP (hereditary peripheral neuropathy) 7/03 but must have had MS for 30 yrs before that. I've never taken meds for MS except 1 yr experiment on LDN. (I found diet, exercise, sleep, humor, music help me the most.)
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ashlynsMYTH wrote:About a year and a half ago, I took a semester off from college for health reasons; trouble concentrating, fatigue, and back pain. At the time, I was also experiencing a strange tingling in my legs at around the same time everyday. ...

The tingling comes and goes, and is irregular. I feel cold easily, but I hate being in the heat. On christmas eve, I nearly went to the emergency room because the tingling was intense in my toes-calves, fingers-wrists, and behind my bottom teeth, accompanied by an ominous dizzy sensation. I regret not going, I wish it could've been documented.
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I just wanted to ask, is this normal, are doctors really like this or am I just unfortunate? Also, if it is MS, and they find proof, will it really be better? I am so tired and weak and confused and I feel like my loved ones are tired of hearing it (though all of them believe me, not a single one doubts my credibility). Any advice?
Hi and welcome to ThisIsMS, ashleynsMYTH.

The advice from euphoniaa is excellent. Since the last two words of your post are "Any advice?" I will offer mine also:

The cause of your symptoms is undiagnosed; you write that you experience "a strange tingling in the legs"and later, "nearly went to the emergency room because the tingling was intense in toes-calves, fingers-wrists…" Numbness/tingling in the legs and arms is the textbook definition of "peripheral neuropathy." This is a common symptom in many conditions.

In investigating the cause of peripheral neuropathy, the University of Chicago suggests the following:

http://peripheralneuropathycenter.uchic ... #bloodtest\
Blood tests

Blood tests are commonly employed to check for vitamin deficiencies, toxic elements and evidence of an abnormal immune response.

Depending on your individual situation, your doctor may request certain laboratory tests to identify potentially treatable causes for neuropathy. These include tests for:

Vitamin B12 and folate levels
Thyroid, liver and kidney functions
Vasculitis evaluation
Oral glucose tolerance test
Antibodies to nerve components (e.g., anti-MAG antibody)
Antibodies related to celiac disease
Lyme disease
HIV/AIDS
Hepatitis C and B
Please note that the first blood test the U of Chicago suggests is for vitamin B12. In my opinion (I have no medical background), this is the place to start looking. It is estimated that 40% of the American population have suboptimal levels of B12.

There have been several malpractice cases won (for several million dollars each!) when doctors did not look for vitamin B12 deficiencies and patients went on to develop irreversible neurologic damage. Thorough screening is not routinely done and must be specifically requested (Please request your own copies of test results – it is best to have the actual result numbers.). Obviously, none of the many doctors you have seen have thought to check this! I suggest you find a good hematologist for a thorough screening (this should be more than just the "serum B12" test, which is considered inaccurate and outdated by many experts).

Also, do NOT use vitamin B supplements before testing, as this will skew results.

You may find information in the following video useful:



Diagnosing and Treating Vitamin B12 Deficiency: "Everything You Want Your Doctor to Know about Vitamin B12"

I highly recommend this 50-minute documentary featuring Sally Pacholok, RN, BSN, & her husband Jeffrey Stuart, D.O. (authors of the book, Could It Be B12? An Epidemic of Misdiagnoses - this book might be available through your library); Lawrence Solomon, M.D., hematologist with Yale Medical School; Ralph Green, M.D., hematologist at UC Davis; and Donald Jacobsen, PhD, at the Cleveland Clinic (Homocysteine Research Lab).

We wish you all the best; please let us know how it goes.
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