DrSclafani answers some questions

A forum to discuss Chronic Cerebrospinal Venous Insufficiency and its relationship to Multiple Sclerosis.
Cece
Family Elder
Posts: 9335
Joined: Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:00 pm
Contact:

Re: DrSclafani answers some questions

Post by Cece »

drsclafani wrote:
Cece wrote:Any other strategies or concepts on the docket to be explored in 2012?
1. 12 month followups of patients treated in 2011
2. Development of CCSVI Centers of Excellence at American Access Care
3. Dural sinus and deep cerebral vein pressure measurements with IVUS before and after treatment
4. A Bigger and Better Symposium
5. PwMS talent show at the symposium
6. Greater networking worldwide
7. publishing, publishing, publishing
I do not know which to be more excited about. But let's see!
* 12 month follow-ups! It must be difficult with patients that are not local.
* "CCSVI Centers of Excellence"...sounds promising!
* pressure measurements, which I think is similar to what Dr. Tucker was suggesting.
* Glad to hear there are still plans for a symposium next year, and a bigger & better one to boot!
* ok, publishing, publishing, publishing is my favorite :)
Cece
Family Elder
Posts: 9335
Joined: Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:00 pm
Contact:

Re: DrSclafani answers some questions

Post by Cece »

I can't tell if it is the full catheter or just the guide wire. Up the right jugular, across the sinuses, down the left jugular. The sinuses can be sensitive, with the potential for enduring pain after the procedure if they get transversed (based on what I've heard of one other person's experience). Some reasons to do this might be if the patient had a suspected blockage in the sinuses or if the left jugular had a blockage in the area of the valves that had resisted catheterization. In the latter case, a rendez-vous procedure might be tried before trying to approach the jugular through the sinuses.

Could this be the continuation of MikeInFL's wife's case?
User avatar
HappyPoet
Family Elder
Posts: 1414
Joined: Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:00 pm
Contact:

Re: DrSclafani answers some questions

Post by HappyPoet »

I doubt this is a venogram of a PTA involving the dural sinuses because the sinuses are not shown. I am not comfortable with the idea of having anything in my dural sinuses if my dural sinuses cannot be visualized the entire time. Period.

Also, wouldn't the guidewire need to be routed through the heart which this dark vertical line clearly isn't? -- I think the dark vertical line is a unique problem with this piece of equipment and is not a guidewire nor sheath nor catheter.

Do I get my usual "F" as my grade?

EDIT: Now that I've found my glasses, I can understand why the others think the 'dark vertical line' is something because I can now tell that it's not perfectly straight and its entire length is shadowed (sry, I can't find the right word). So I change my answer to that which the previous posters gave.
Last edited by HappyPoet on Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:11 am, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
mo_en
Family Member
Posts: 48
Joined: Thu Dec 09, 2010 3:00 pm
Location: Patras, Greece

Re: DrSclafani answers some questions

Post by mo_en »

A small step for the guidewire, a giant step for mankind!
Cece
Family Elder
Posts: 9335
Joined: Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:00 pm
Contact:

Re: DrSclafani answers some questions

Post by Cece »

I change my answer to agree with HappyPoet that the straight vertical line through the chest area is peculiar! I hadn't even looked at it, I was focused on the jugular area.

Dear HappyPoet, you are more the student who gets straight A's and would lament a B as if it were an F!
User avatar
HappyPoet
Family Elder
Posts: 1414
Joined: Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:00 pm
Contact:

Re: DrSclafani answers some questions

Post by HappyPoet »

Thank you, Cece.
Okay, I'll stick with my original answer (second-guessing myself is second-nature to me).
User avatar
HappyPoet
Family Elder
Posts: 1414
Joined: Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:00 pm
Contact:

Re: DrSclafani answers some questions

Post by HappyPoet »

The more I think about this case and look at this image, the more questions I have about my original answer...

My original answer doesn't explain why an IR would use a machine with that exact 'dark vertical line' problem being right where the R-IJV would be? I don't think an IR would use such a defective machine for the purpose of investigating the R-IJV. So this would mean that Pam's and Cece's original answers are correct, that the catheter traversed the sinuses which would mean that the wire did go through the heart and SVC which must be lower than this image shows? So if the 'dark vertical line" really is a catheter, I'm surprised at how stiff and straight it appears in this image... "peculiar" is the right word, Cece.

My original answer also doesn't explain the absence of the guidewire below the uninflated balloon in the L-IJV which means the balloon had to have been threaded down from the sinuses, correct? Where else could the wire and balloon have come from? Unless the wire broke at the bottom of the balloon after it had been threaded up high in the L-IJV or even into the dural sinuses?

Cece, what say you?
Cece
Family Elder
Posts: 9335
Joined: Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:00 pm
Contact:

Re: DrSclafani answers some questions

Post by Cece »

HappyPoet wrote:Cece, what say you?
drsclafani, what say you? :wink:
HappyPoet wrote:"peculiar" is the right word, Cece.
If it is the exactly right word, ah! Happiness....
pelopidas
Family Member
Posts: 71
Joined: Mon Sep 05, 2011 6:30 am
Location: Greece

Re: DrSclafani answers some questions

Post by pelopidas »

..is it inside the patient' s body?
getafix
User avatar
CD
Family Elder
Posts: 217
Joined: Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:00 pm
Location: USA
Contact:

Re: DrSclafani answers some questions

Post by CD »

I think the L IJV had a lower blockage, perhaps at the junction, so this was the only way to enter the L IJV was by going up the R IJV then across and down to the L IJV to clear a blockage that way. JMO

The dye was not released, so maybe IVUS was looking around the L IJV first.

What say you teacher? :smile:
Where there is a will, there is a way. "HOPE"

CCSVI Procedure December 2010
User avatar
drsclafani
Family Elder
Posts: 3182
Joined: Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:00 pm
Location: Brooklyn, New York
Contact:

Re: DrSclafani answers some questions

Post by drsclafani »

pklittle wrote:
drsclafani wrote:Image

Comments :wink:
The catheter advanced through the sheath, up the right jugular, across the transverse sinus, and down the left jugular?
Correct. Why would i do that?
Salvatore JA Sclafani MD
Patient contact: ccsviliberation@gmail.com
User avatar
MarkW
Family Elder
Posts: 1167
Joined: Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:00 pm
Location: Oxfordshire, England
Contact:

Dural sinus are safe with DrS

Post by MarkW »

HappyPoet wrote: I am not comfortable with the idea of having anything in my dural sinuses if my dural sinuses cannot be visualized the entire time. Period.
DrS accessed my dural sinuses in June 2011. A little painful at the time but no after affects. Depends if you want a full diagnosis or not and approach to risk, personal choice.

To answer DrS's 'why would I do that ?' Do you suspect a web and this is to help diagnosis ?
Of course it could be to develop your skills/because you can/because its fun.............

MarkW
Mark Walker - Oxfordshire, England. Retired Industrial Pharmacist. 24 years of study about MS.
CCSVI Comments:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/8359854/MS-experts-in-Britain-have-to-open-their-minds.html
User avatar
drsclafani
Family Elder
Posts: 3182
Joined: Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:00 pm
Location: Brooklyn, New York
Contact:

Re: DrSclafani answers some questions

Post by drsclafani »

Cece wrote:I can't tell if it is the full catheter or just the guide wire. Up the right jugular, across the sinuses, down the left jugular. The sinuses can be sensitive, with the potential for enduring pain after the procedure if they get transversed (based on what I've heard of one other person's experience). Some reasons to do this might be if the patient had a suspected blockage in the sinuses or if the left jugular had a blockage in the area of the valves that had resisted catheterization. In the latter case, a rendez-vous procedure might be tried before trying to approach the jugular through the sinuses.

Could this be the continuation of MikeInFL's wife's case?
you are on the right track, Cece. Thisis a 0.014 inc floppy platinum tipped nitinol wire that I used initially to guide the IVUS probe along the veins. I found that i could use this wire during the entire catheterization after placement of the sheath in the superior vena cava. for example, i can inject contrast media through the catheter and still leave this wire in place because the end-hole of the catheter is 0.038 inches in diameter and this guidewire does not occlude the tip. This is very helpful in reducing wire exchanges. It is also a very floppy tip that reduces considerably the risk of injuries.

In this case, it was possible to advance the wire from one transverse sinus to the other. You are correct. There was an occlusion of the right left jugular vein that occured from a prior procedure by another physician. By using the wire, i was trying to create a landmark that was definitely in the internal jugular vein. If I were lucky, i might be able to advance the wire down into the left innominate vein.

When the vein is occluded (thrombosed), especially, as in this case, for a long time, the collateral veins dilate. External ultrasound can be confusing and the collaterals can mimic an internal jugular vein. Puncturing those collateral veins in the neck in a rendevous procedure will be useless.
Salvatore JA Sclafani MD
Patient contact: ccsviliberation@gmail.com
User avatar
drsclafani
Family Elder
Posts: 3182
Joined: Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:00 pm
Location: Brooklyn, New York
Contact:

Re: DrSclafani answers some questions

Post by drsclafani »

HappyPoet wrote:I doubt this is a venogram of a PTA involving the dural sinuses because the sinuses are not shown. I am not comfortable with the idea of having anything in my dural sinuses if my dural sinuses cannot be visualized the entire time. Period.

Also, wouldn't the guidewire need to be routed through the heart which this dark vertical line clearly isn't? -- I think the dark vertical line is a unique problem with this piece of equipment and is not a guidewire nor sheath nor catheter.

Do I get my usual "F" as my grade?

EDIT: Now that I've found my glasses, I can understand why the others think the 'dark vertical line' is something because I can now tell that it's not perfectly straight and its entire length is shadowed (sry, I can't find the right word). So I change my answer to that which the previous posters gave.

F turned to a B+
Salvatore JA Sclafani MD
Patient contact: ccsviliberation@gmail.com
User avatar
drsclafani
Family Elder
Posts: 3182
Joined: Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:00 pm
Location: Brooklyn, New York
Contact:

Re: DrSclafani answers some questions

Post by drsclafani »

Cece wrote:I change my answer to agree with HappyPoet that the straight vertical line through the chest area is peculiar! I hadn't even looked at it, I was focused on the jugular area.

Dear HappyPoet, you are more the student who gets straight A's and would lament a B as if it were an F!
The thing going from the chest to the right neck is the sheath through which the 0.014 guiewire was introduced to get over from right to left.
Salvatore JA Sclafani MD
Patient contact: ccsviliberation@gmail.com
Post Reply

Return to “Chronic Cerebrospinal Venous Insufficiency (CCSVI)”