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Dr. Flanagan thank you for sharing with us so openly and honestly. Your unique understanding of the issues surrounding the people on here by experiencing them yourself, albeit differently, is really quite something.

My daughter was due to be treated Monday by Dr. Sclafani but sadly her insurance did not clear. We have no new date at present time. To make matter worse she tripped last Sunday evening and landed really heavily face first. She sustained another concussion (dizzyness and headache)and looked like she had been in the ring with a prize fighter - luckily the CAT scan did not show any fracture of her cheekbone. She was badly shaken and has been extra sensitive to cold, touch and noise. Her neck is also out but we are waiting for her aches to settle as not sure if too soon to have a neck adjustment after trauma. Naturally it is extremely distressing that she has sustained another head injury! Any suggestions?

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oh drury, your poor daughter and you dealing with all this. i hope she heals quickly.
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Blossom,

Thanks for your caring words they mean a lot.

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Hello David1949,
I can relate to a herniated disc in the low back causing sciatica. That's how I got started in chiropractic. I also had many different types of traction in my office for rehabilitating bad discs and joints. While traction is helpful for rehab it is not effective for correcting misalignments, especially the upper cervical spine.
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Hello Blossom,
Many cases of rsd are caused by misalignments and abnomal curvatures of the spine. Curvatures of the upper spine affect the thoracic outlet which contains the blood vessels and nerves to the arm. Twists in the low back and pelvis affect the blood vessels and nerves to the legs. Some people inherit curvatures of the spine. Other's acquire them through aging and injuries. They can be big or small and innocuous types of injuries. While some traumas cause permanent damage early chiropractic intervention may help to limit the damage and decrease the likelyhood of neurodegenerative processes and subsequent condition such as MS.
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Drury,
If you haven't already, make sure you put ice packs on your daughter's face for ten to fifteen minutes two or three times each day. Crushed ice or frozen bags of vegetable such as peas or corn etc. are particularly good on the face as they conform to the face better and the vegetable bags can be refrozen and reused. If not any type of ice will do.

I would get your daughter to the AO chiropractor as soon as possible.

Why did your daughter trip? Was it a simple mishap or was the slip related to her leg issues? When she recovers from this episode I think you need to get her to someone who will examine and document what is going on in her entire spine and legs not just the upper cervical spine, skull and TMJ.
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Is there a connection between Trauma and MS?

A Review of the Literature of Dr D Gay & Sylvia Brown

http://www.msrc.co.uk/index.cfm/fuseact ... 4aaf21%2C0

Well worth the read and checking the links, enjoy
Nigel
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I was looking at another thread discussing injury and MS and found this question to add to the possibilities,
I've been wondering if this may be caused by birth trauma. I was delivered by high forceps.
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The Veins of the Neck
The veins of the neck (Fig. 558), which return the blood from the head and face, are: 1
External Jugular.
Anterior Jugular.
Posterior External Jugular.
Internal Jugular

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/gr ... ubject/168

A technical read for those inclined.
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Dear Doctor Flanagan,

I met Dr Koontz today. I am happy to say that I am now in position to tell upfront whether I need an adjustment or not. I can feel it.
And today I needed a good one.

I wanted to ask you if patients like me are more prone for a stroke.
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Hello Costumenational,
No. Your spinal condition does not predispose you to strokes but it can cause chronic ischemia (decreased blood flow) of the cord and brain due to compression of the vertebral-basilar artery. Over time chronic ischemia can lead to neurodegenerative processes and subsequent conditions such as MS.
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Thank you as always Dr. Flanagan.

My daughter fell last Sunday evening and her swelling is now much better. She does trip a lot from leg weakness I think and has had several falls this past year which is scary. She has since found out she has a UTI which may have been an added part of it although her balance is not good.

Unfortunately her AO is away until Monday but hope she can get her there Tuesday.

We will definitely get her lower spine checked. She hit her hip and knees also and was so tense everywhere for about four days she could not relax her shoulders. I hate this disease!
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Drury my thoughts are with you and your daughter, healing time takes time after a sudden injury so be gentle please.

Dr. F I have had this pondering going on in the back of my head, I used to say mind but I'm not sure where it is, it has Neuroplasticly transformed so much I sometimes wonder where it is now.
Anyway when I was first being investigated by a Muscular Skeletal Dr I was told that I didn't have nerve impingement because it could not be reproduced by positioning by body in the region of likely compression at the nerve exist from my neck for my arm and hand problem which was the area of focus at that moment. That thought has stayed with me and now I am thinking how that fits in with what is happening for most of us with a trauma history. I do at times know that position of my neck/head can increase my symptom awareness in some situations.
Does that mean that the area of nerve 'damage' may be near an exit point for those nerves?
Neck flexation does aggravate my symptoms if I had a repeated activity and I do feel that when my neck alignment is 'out' that stretching flexing and achieving a few good clicks has my symptoms settle.
So somewhere in this thought is about the 'lesions' that may me present (and in my case one has been on MRI at C2), are effected by movement and position of the cord in the spinal canal.
*Is it possible to invoke the area of trauma to give insight to the origin of damage?
Is this how you see what is happening in a mechanical sense?
Hope your weekend has been productive as mine,
Regards Nigel
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Drury,
Has anyone taken plain view x-rays of your daughter's lumbar spine and pelvis?
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Nigel,
The maneuvers used to tests for disc and joint problems usually entails extension of the neck or low back which further compresses the opening between vertebrae where the nerve roots exit. The sciatic nerve in the leg is tested by stetching with straight leg raising. Your problems are aggravated by cervical flexion. Lehermitte's sign similarly provokes neurological signs with neck flexion. Flexion of the spine stretches the cord. In certain cases due to the angle of the base of the skull flexion of the cervical spine can cause a functional Chiari malformation with compression of the brainstem.
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