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question re appetite and zinc

Post by ElliotB » Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:43 pm

@ jimmylegs

I have had for probably close to a year and continue to have a major appetite issue (lack of) and have decided to try zinc to see if it helps based on the info you just posted. There seems to be a number of different varieties. Which type do you recommend? How much (dosage amount)? How often?

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Post by jimmylegs » Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:00 pm

hi elliot do you have a serum zinc level on file at all? serum copper? serum ferritin?

as to product. the local store which sold the brand i'd liked closed down. it was a product that provided 50mg zinc to 2 mg copper or 25mg zinc to 1mg copper. i only liked the 50mg option because they cost the same. however, the upper limit for long term use of supplemental zinc is 40mg/d

so. when i went looking for an alternative i encountered now foods l-opti zinc, which is (as recently clarified) zinc monomethionine. this product is also balanced w copper in an appropriate ratio to prevent copper depletion from isolated zinc intake.

ferritin status is worth knowing, because supplementing zinc on its own also will affect iron absorption.

whfoods prescribes a serving clam (iron) and oyster (zinc) chowder once a week, to maintain iron and zinc status without needing to monitor or manage for imbalance from supplemental forms. if only i liked shellfish :P
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Re: Personality changes in spouse with MS. Feeling lost.

Post by ElliotB » Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:45 am

I called my Doctor's office and although I have had extensive bloodwork done over the last few years on a regular basis, my Zinc has never been tested. I am due for another round of bloodwork in November and will have it checked at that point.

I also discovered that I have been taking 20mg of Zinc daily from a multi-vitamin that I take. And many of the foods that I eat are high in Zinc. In any case I have ordered a Zinc powder supplement and will be adding about 30mg daily starting this weekend and see if I notice a difference.

Thanks again for your suggestions.

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Re: Personality changes in spouse with MS. Feeling lost.

Post by jimmylegs » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:23 am

and the copper intake / plan for testing is??

^^ re daily upper limit for zinc from supplemental sources

^^ re copper depletion from zinc supplementation

Copper Deficiency & Disorders
https://neuromuscular.wustl.edu/nother/ ... htm#copper

Copper deficiency: Acquired
-Predisposition
--Zinc: High levels
---Increased intake
----Chronic over years
----Sources
-----Zinc supplements
-----Coins
-----Denture creams

The role of copper, molybdenum, selenium, and zinc in nutrition and health.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9891606
Copper, zinc, selenium, and molybdenum are involved in many biochemical processes supporting life. The most important of these processes are cellular respiration, cellular utilization of oxygen, DNA and RNA reproduction, maintenance of cell membrane integrity, and sequestration of free radicals. ... On the other hand, excess intake of these trace elements leads to disease and toxicity; therefore, a fine balance is essential for health. Trace element--deficient patients usually present with common symptoms such as malaise, loss of appetite, anemia, infection, skin lesions, and low-grade neuropathy, thus complicating the diagnosis.
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Re: question re appetite and zinc

Post by ElliotB » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:53 pm

I don't take any kind of copper supplement and I have never had it tested.

As with Zinc, I seem to be consuming a variety of foods that are rich in copper and have been doing so for many years so it is unlikely I have a deficiency.

I leave nothing to chance and have ordered a copper supplement which I should be able to start taking this weekend and will have its level tested as well when I have my next round of blood work.

Thanks once again for the good suggestions, always appreciated!

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Re: question re appetite and zinc

Post by jimmylegs » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:32 pm

sounds good - here's hoping the levels end up looking consistent with those of healthy controls :)
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Re: question re appetite and zinc

Post by ElliotB » Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:06 pm

I am considering doing a blood test prior to supplementing as I am curious as to what my level are just based on my current diet. For all I know, I have an adequate intake of both. I am looking into that now.

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Re: question re appetite and zinc

Post by jimmylegs » Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:01 pm

testing would be smart. no need to fix what ain't broke.
take control of your own health
pursue optimal self care at least as actively as a diagnosis
ask for referrals to preventive health care specialists eg dietitians
don't let suboptimal self care muddy any underlying diagnostic picture!

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