4 days after liberation update: I DO have improvements!

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adamt wrote:sorry are you saying the improvements are due to a placebo affect?
or have i interpretted this wrong?
I took his post to be sarcastic. I think he's saying, if liberation results are really just placebo, then why did your placebo affect not kick in until after you were disappointed with the results. I could be wrong.
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Sorry for not being clearer. I am saying it is not placebo affect.

If you are not expecting results or are dissappointed by your results how can your subconcious kick in days later? It seems to me that it is an argument that liberation works. If I really didn't believe in CCSVI, I would not have my plane tickets already. I do have my plane tickets and can't wait for the 13th.

Sometimes I'm not to good at my attempts at sarcasm.

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JCB wrote:If you are not expecting results or are dissappointed by your results how can your subconcious kick in days later? It seems to me that it is an argument that liberation works. If I really didn't believe in CCSVI, I would not have my plane tickets already. I do have my plane tickets and can't wait for the 13th.
I agree with what you're saying here. After the first day or two, he should've experienced the 'nocebo' effect if anything at all...his belief that it had failed should've been the self-fulfilling prophecy. Instead, improvements!

Also JCB best wishes for your own placebo improvements on the 13th!!
"However, the truth in science ultimately emerges, although sometimes it takes a very long time," Arthur Silverstein, Autoimmunity: A History of the Early Struggle for Recognition
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Post by JCB »

Thanks CeCe,

It is hard to keep my expectations grounded in reality. It actually helps when people post their improvements that aren't immediate. I know that my right arm and leg will not be as strong as the left on the 14th, too much atrophy has gone on. I know I said that I would be happy if the progression just stopped, but I would be lying if I said I didn't want it all back.

What is going through my mind?
I will be happy if the progression stopped. I will be happy if the progression stopped. I will be happy if the progression stopped. I will be happy if the progression stopped.

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Post by elyse_peace »

adam,
i think jcb is being sarcastic/funny.
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Post by adamt »

thats ok JCB , I mis-interpretted what you said,
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Post by selkie »

Glad to hear of your improvement, Adam! Very exciting and I hope it continues!! ;-)
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