Does anyone take a supplement to improve circulation? Did ..
Does anyone take a supplement to improve circulation? Did ..
.. your mobility improve?
I have come across this Gingko combination supplement that is meant to improve circulation:
http://www.zipvit.com/cgi-bin/popupprod ... 20Sterling
An ideal product for maintaining circulation, particularly the extremities, and the brain. The warming properties of ginger and cinnamon combined with ginkgo biloba, help stimulate and kick start the circulation.
Theres also this Gingko combination:
http://www.zipvit.com/cgi-bin/popupprod ... 20Sterling
Which oine is the better supplement?
Or could this be in anyway be bad for CCSVI patients?
- i have IJV mild stenosis, May Thurner and poorly developed Lumbar veins
(think i have restenosed IJVs, but havent had the MT or lumbar veins treated yet)
thanks
I have come across this Gingko combination supplement that is meant to improve circulation:
http://www.zipvit.com/cgi-bin/popupprod ... 20Sterling
An ideal product for maintaining circulation, particularly the extremities, and the brain. The warming properties of ginger and cinnamon combined with ginkgo biloba, help stimulate and kick start the circulation.
Theres also this Gingko combination:
http://www.zipvit.com/cgi-bin/popupprod ... 20Sterling
Which oine is the better supplement?
Or could this be in anyway be bad for CCSVI patients?
- i have IJV mild stenosis, May Thurner and poorly developed Lumbar veins
(think i have restenosed IJVs, but havent had the MT or lumbar veins treated yet)
thanks
gingko really helped my blood flow if perception rather than scientific measurability matters.
i found i had way better cognitive function eg could keep track of a train of thought so much better. before that i had not known what i was missing.
i am not a ccsvi case and do not take any blood thinners so have not considered conflicts.
i found i had way better cognitive function eg could keep track of a train of thought so much better. before that i had not known what i was missing.
i am not a ccsvi case and do not take any blood thinners so have not considered conflicts.
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One caution on the niacin flush; It may feel like your skin is on fire. The first time I tried it I had to jump into a cold shower until the sensation subsided. I would suggest trying a very low dose the first time, and then gradually work up to a higher dose if you think it's helping. Personally I didn't feel any benefit from it.
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I take 75 of asprin daily - i put myself on this upon reading Dr z's theory 10 months ago - 5 months after my MS DX I would like to say by going on asprin it stoped my left cold foot - a bit of a bonus
I had procedure , asked Surgeon could I stay on Asprin hes reply their was no need to - it wont do you any harm and may do you some good ....
I never told him I was takeing ginko
Ive not taken any DMD and nor am I on any other meds. RR MS
2 months ago - CCSVI LIJV 60/70% stenosied ballooning( cleared 4 collaterals)
I do have low blood pressure all my life its never caused me any problems
Ive stayed on it along with my daily 120 of ginko at this point Im thinking of dropping one my gut says the asprin based on liberation and Ive had a two unexplained brusies . this I believe is a result of Asprin
Any suggestions from the forum ?? Jimmylegs I would value your input
I had procedure , asked Surgeon could I stay on Asprin hes reply their was no need to - it wont do you any harm and may do you some good ....
I never told him I was takeing ginko
Ive not taken any DMD and nor am I on any other meds. RR MS
2 months ago - CCSVI LIJV 60/70% stenosied ballooning( cleared 4 collaterals)
I do have low blood pressure all my life its never caused me any problems
Ive stayed on it along with my daily 120 of ginko at this point Im thinking of dropping one my gut says the asprin based on liberation and Ive had a two unexplained brusies . this I believe is a result of Asprin
Any suggestions from the forum ?? Jimmylegs I would value your input
True. Unlike majority, I love the feeling.David1949 wrote:One caution on the niacin flush; It may feel like your skin is on fire. The first time I tried it I had to jump into a cold shower until the sensation subsided. I would suggest trying a very low dose the first time, and then gradually work up to a higher dose if you think it's helping.
Re: Does anyone take a supplement to improve circulation?
I'm not sure what your point is here. Chocolate, especially dark chocolate, is good stuff (in moderation). If your point is that chocolate is equivalent to placebo, then eat one of these bars and tell me if you don't feel something. Chocolate contains methylxanthines, both caffiene and theobromine. Just search PubMed for theobromine. There are just over 4600 papers listed.concerned wrote:I've read in scientific american that ginko has about the same neurological effect as eating a chocolate bar... just some food for thought.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15549276
While the above abstract does not distinguish between theobromine and caffeine, I certainly feel different after consuming a small portion of dark chocolate as compared to my caffeinated green tea.Results: Identical improvements on the mood construct "energetic arousal" and cognitive function were found for cocoa powder and the caffeine+theobromine combination versus placebo.
Conclusions: A normal portion of chocolate exhibits psychopharmacological activity. The identical profile of effects exerted by cocoa powder and its methylxanthine constituents shows this activity to be confined to the combination of caffeine and theobromine.
NHE
Re: Does anyone take a supplement to improve circulation?
I should have said candy bar:
http://www.psychologicalscience.org/pdf/pspi/ginkgo.pdf
http://www.psychologicalscience.org/pdf/pspi/ginkgo.pdf
I take both Niacin and low dose aspirin since january and I have inproved a great deal, most remarkable is the fact that I can move all my toes again which I had not for 8 years. But also sighting, L'hermitte, cognitive, bladder etc improved.
I also do advice a very slow build up on Niacin as the flush can be real intens even at 100mg or less when you just start.
BTW, aspirin will lessen the flush if taken 20-30 minutes before the Niacin. Personally the flush is what I aim at (as your veins get dilated when flushing) so I always take my aspirin after the Niacin.
I also do advice a very slow build up on Niacin as the flush can be real intens even at 100mg or less when you just start.
BTW, aspirin will lessen the flush if taken 20-30 minutes before the Niacin. Personally the flush is what I aim at (as your veins get dilated when flushing) so I always take my aspirin after the Niacin.
dx 2002,RRMS, suspected begin of MS 1978 (age 10)
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silverbirch, it's up to you whether you dump aspirin or ginkgo. if you have unexplained bruising it might make a good experiment to stop one or the other and see if the problem resolves itself.
the scientific debate:
ginkgo+aspirin's bad, mkay...
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/a ... 1/art00005
Potential Interactions between Herbal Medicines and Conventional Drug Therapies Used by Older Adults Attending a Memory Clinic
Spontaneous Hyphema Associated with Ingestion of Ginkgo biloba Extract
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 8/abstract
Potential interaction of Ginkgo biloba leaf with antiplatelet or anticoagulant drugs: What is the evidence?
hope that helps!
jimmylegs
the scientific debate:
ginkgo+aspirin's bad, mkay...
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/a ... 1/art00005
Potential Interactions between Herbal Medicines and Conventional Drug Therapies Used by Older Adults Attending a Memory Clinic
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NE ... 4103361518The most common potential herb-drug interaction was between ginkgo and aspirin.
Spontaneous Hyphema Associated with Ingestion of Ginkgo biloba Extract
on the other hand...A 70-year-old man presented after two days of recurrent blurred vision in the right eye, with each episode lasting 15 minutes, during which he could perceive a red discoloration through his cornea. One week earlier he had begun twice-daily ingestion of a Ginkoba tablet from his health-food store. Each tablet contained 40 mg of concentrated (50:1) extract of the G. biloba tree. The patient's only other medication was aspirin (one 325-mg tablet daily), taken for three years after his coronary-artery bypass surgery. There was no history of eye trauma, ischemia, or vascular occlusion...The patient stopped taking the ginkgo extract but continued to take daily aspirin, and there was no recurrence of bleeding over a three-month follow-up period.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 8/abstract
Potential interaction of Ginkgo biloba leaf with antiplatelet or anticoagulant drugs: What is the evidence?
also, niacin is vitamin b3. usually in b-complex it is modified to niacinamide so that there is no flush reaction. straight niacin provides the flush reaction. niacin is a big part of the klenner protocol of which i am a fan in a limited way (see related signature link - the townsend one - below for more details)However, there is scant information from case reports or controlled trials to support the suggestion that Ginkgo potentiates the effects of anticoagulant or antiplatelet drugs. Such high-level safety concerns for this herb are deemed to be unsupported by the currently available evidence.
hope that helps!
jimmylegs
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Hi silverbirch,
Like Jimmylegs already said - Niacine is vitamin B3. It has loads of good qualities for veins and arteries, it cuts down bad cholesterol and ups the good one, prevents the buil up of plaques and even might reverse formed build-up, and as mentioned, when you have the flush, even the littlest of veins will dilate up to 3-4 times and it makes your blood rush through your body for about 20 minutes. There are ways to control the flush, by taking Niacin after a meal or having a cold drink at hand if the flush is heavy. i take it on an empty stomach but only since a few months.
The first time I had the flush, you could literally see all my little veins pop open! I was always very pale (in school my nickname was 'return of the living death'
) but since I started flushing I have a healthy pink skin tone and a blush on my cheeks. I never, ever had that in my entire life!
I find that the Niacin helped a lot but it's the combination with aspirin that made it work for me. recently I had to stop the aspirin for a while (as I am being tested for hughes/aps) and my tiredness returned quite a bit.
Together they really improved my quality of life, for instance I went backpacking with my teenage son in Malaysia this summer. I could not have done that a year ago.
On the dutch ms forum we have several people who take Niacin and aspirin and most have improvements.
Like Jimmylegs already said - Niacine is vitamin B3. It has loads of good qualities for veins and arteries, it cuts down bad cholesterol and ups the good one, prevents the buil up of plaques and even might reverse formed build-up, and as mentioned, when you have the flush, even the littlest of veins will dilate up to 3-4 times and it makes your blood rush through your body for about 20 minutes. There are ways to control the flush, by taking Niacin after a meal or having a cold drink at hand if the flush is heavy. i take it on an empty stomach but only since a few months.
The first time I had the flush, you could literally see all my little veins pop open! I was always very pale (in school my nickname was 'return of the living death'


I find that the Niacin helped a lot but it's the combination with aspirin that made it work for me. recently I had to stop the aspirin for a while (as I am being tested for hughes/aps) and my tiredness returned quite a bit.
Together they really improved my quality of life, for instance I went backpacking with my teenage son in Malaysia this summer. I could not have done that a year ago.
On the dutch ms forum we have several people who take Niacin and aspirin and most have improvements.
dx 2002,RRMS, suspected begin of MS 1978 (age 10)