Phlebotomy anyone?

shye · Post by **shye** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:55 pm

PointsNorth--
The methyl sublingual does not work for me--take it if have run out of the injectible, or sometimes as an adjunct to the shots if really can't pick up on the energy.
The methyl works best for me. And the cyanocobalamin is processed with aluminum, so you get a bit of aluminum with every injection!! So I won't take it. (you see this info in the fine print on the bottle, or check the Physician's Desk Reference--which does advise not to use long term due to the aluminum).

Post by **jimmylegs** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 4:04 am

hi PN

i couldn't find methyl liquid when i was looking in 06. i did not try very hard as my blood levels of b12 respond very well to sublingual strips.

when you say you did not benefit are you talking about a subjective assessment, or lab tests?

PointsNorth · Post by **PointsNorth** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:35 am

jimmy - I didn't get boost in energy that I am looking for from the sublingual tabs.

Shye - I didn't know that cyno has a mercury preservative !! Yikes. I take it three time a month and will try sublingual methlcobalamin once again.

PN

Post by **jimmylegs** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:50 pm

hi pn, you might need something else and not b12 specifically.. how you feel is a bit of a toughie unless you are measuring levels of things. have you tried magnesium at all? i'm just going a little random on the idea of fatigue/low energy. magnesium is also low in ms, deficiency connected to chronic fatigue etc... could be a number of things but mg is low in ms patients..
jl

Post by **jimmylegs** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:07 pm

also PN do you take a b-complex or just the straight b12 only?

PointsNorth · Post by **PointsNorth** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:12 pm

Just B12 injection + multivitamin.

PN

Post by **jimmylegs** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 4:58 pm

all right well there's a whole lot more than that you can do for ms, fortunately!

for starters you could try picking up B100 complex and some magnesium glycinate. for the first week you can take B100 complex with every meal and then back off to once a week.

along with the multi, that should be an okay first step

down the road maybe you want to think about vit D3, minerals, and fatty acids

Merlyn · Post by **Merlyn** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:55 pm

Had the opportunity to try one of these the other day... it is a mat which is plugged in to the wall socket, and you can put your feet on it or keep it on your lap... it made me feel quite lightheaded after about 40 minutes... I was told this happened because it affects how well you use thyroid hormones, and if so I would have to be careful using it because I am on a very high dose of liothyronine... interesting concept though, that it can get rid of calcification...

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Merlyn · Post by **Merlyn** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:09 pm

David Wolfe is a leading proponent of raw food diets.

shye · Post by **shye** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:32 pm

I think having a negative ionizer would do the same ????

Merlyn · Post by **Merlyn** » Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:53 am

http://books.google.com/books?id=eqkYpq ... is&f=false

I just ordered this book from the library, because of the fact that I have tested so low in pancreatic enzymes and they seem to have a profound effect on plaque of the arterial walls etc. So far I am tolerating the FitSmart shakes and a bit of pancreatin...

shye · Post by **shye** » Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:02 pm

thanks for posting this info Merlyn--
I got out of the habit of pancratic enzymes last time I ran out of them and did not repurchase--had gotten a bit tired of the odd smell I got from them--maybe taking too much--will try again.

Merlyn · Post by **Merlyn** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:27 pm

I'm also getting very interested in grounding... supposedly, it thins the blood and increases circulation a great deal......

http://www.thelongevitynowconference.co ... -heal.html

Bethr · Post by **Bethr** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:52 am

My last phleb in September got rid of the fatigue again for just a week, as I got the flu almost immediately and ended up on antibiotics for a bronchial infection. That seemed to tip me backwards again, and my hip joints were aching and I was sleeping in the afternoons again for over six weeks. I then broke out in the blister rash I've had on and off for years.

After all these years I decided to have it biopsied, so just waiting for results from the dermotologist.
I'm due for another phleb early December, so will go and get my bloods done in the next few weeks and see how my iron and Hb looks before deciding.

When the rash got to full bloom last week over both legs and both arms I felt much better

. My joints are really good and I haven't had the fatigue this week.

Merlyn · Post by **Merlyn** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:34 pm

Okay, I am now pretty sure that taking pancreatic enzymes is reducing/alleviating my spasticity to an amazing degree! I can sleep without kicking, this is totally remarkable, because as the years have gone by I have become one big spasm. I am not weight-bearing really, and I use a ceiling lift/sling to do any transferring. The phlebotomy had reduced spasticity by about 30% when I was able to do that, but my hemoglobin is not normal, it is not bouncing back so I could not continue to do that and I despaired of finding anything that would help me out in that regard. Spasticity this severe is torture, you cannot move without inducing unwanted muscle contractions. Yesterday, I took a total of six pancreatin, and I cannot believe just how little spasticity I'm having. Now, I am also nebulizing a mixture of nano silver/nano zeolite/glutathione which has caused me to lower my thyroid medication and this method of detoxing might be super effective, but I am pretty sure it is the pancreatic enzymes that are alleviating the spasticity. And the reason I say this is I've known for a very long time that my spasticity is related to digestive problems. I used to do vitamin C flushes which would totally empty my intestinal tract and I would get some relief from spasticity, or if I do a three day juice fast I get the same moderation of spasticity, or the time I had the Norwalk virus, I got three days of relief after that kind of purge. So now I am certain that for me my spasticity is related to leaky gut/bad protein digestion/CIC's (Circulating Immune Complexes). Cutting out the lactose is also probably helping, but then again lactose intolerance can just be a sign of a lack of enzymes... anyway, I am so happy! When I couldn't continue with the phlebotomies, I got very depressed thinking I would have to live with this unbearable spasticity and it would just keep getting worse, and worse and worse and worse until I would have to get a baclofen pump or something. If, like me, you could not tolerate digestive enzymes that are plant-based, try pancreatin. My mother was diabetic, my two older brothers have been diagnosed diabetic and they are in great shape, not overweight very physically active, and my younger sister is suffering from pancreatitis... so there is definitely a hereditary component going on in this family of mine. I have to thank Dr. Lyn once again for driving up here to see me, and bringing her ZYTO biofeedback thing with her because that is what got me going on the pancreatic enzymes as it showed a severe lack of them. Also, if you cannot digest protein, your body cannot rebuild anything, repair a thing... they keep saying that diabetes and MS seem to be linked somehow, maybe we have week pancreas... I have read that pancreatic enzymes inhibit the absorption of iron... which I find interesting.

In the book Enzymes Enzyme Therapy by Dr. Cichoke, he says that enzymes can do the same thing as plasmapheresis! I had reached the conclusion that phlebotomy was the poor man's plasmapheresis, and I am still convinced that the problem for me is mainly in my blood. When you start to read about CIC's, you can start to understand the harm CIC's do to the vascular/venous system...

http://atvb.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/15/5/665

One such element might be circulating immune complexes (CICs). CICs are associated with premature vascular disease in both humans and experimental animals.