Skeptic Mentality

[scorpion]

And CCSVIhusband --- re:Malden

Do you think that because someone speaks english as a third language that bars them from understanding fluid dynamics? Is Zamboni's understanding of such concepts limited by his being Italian?

Conerned it has nothing to do with his language but eveything to do with what he says in his posts. I am sure Malden is aware of that as well.

[Cece]

Good discussion involves addressing the failures and the successes and being free to talk about them, without personal attacks and hectoring by those who are evangelists.

That is very well said.

CCSVI isn't a religion.

Not a religion, not a political movement, not a cure...what is it exactly?

I'd say CCSVI is the first real potential cause for hope that's come along since I started following MS.

But it is different things to different people?

[dreddk]

Malden a secret drug co rep. haha awesome. Is ccsvihusband an undercover employee of a liberation clinic too?

[VeeBee]

Call it paranoid (but it's not paranoid when I can give you the names of people doing it - and they're not the same names listed as doing the reviews - anyone good at computer hacking ... just check the IP addresses and see where they are from)

I've cross referenced quite a few IP's. I could point out as many pro-ccsvi fakes as I can anti. CCSVI is purely a financial transaction for the profession & charity luvvie duvvies, pretty disguisting when you consider whats at stake.

I don't have MS, and this stuff has affected my health.

Human nature is just too self centered to get things running effectively. I blame all of us for being so blindly respectful to a profession who put themselves and their financial position infront doing an effective job for the people they owe a duty of care to.

Most CCSVI campaigns are sub-contracted out to marketing professionals. The big tell is they're not very good at it because they're over-reliant on handouts, from the people they claim to help.

In my area, people are tripping over brown paper bags.

We reap what we sow, so we can expect CCSVI to be swept under the carpet. We're still accepting BS answers from a profession who claim to be intellectuals. Many responses wouldn't even hold-up in a school playground.

If the higher ups in the charities/medical profession were assessed on their competence they wouldn't be able to hold down a job at McDonald's.

We have an industry with the Robin Hood metality in reverse

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10680062

We want to take from the poor and give to the rich, but in the case of healthcare that makes people DEAD.

Most of the CCSVI groups are just healthcare reps, continue to do the superficial "we're helping the needy" yarn while dipping their pockets.

The industry just can't be trusted to make informed decisions. They're proved it time and time again with numerous other non profitable treatments. Where does that leave us?

My gues is we will have a few hundred scattered CCSVI foundations, telling each other they are doing good. This should privide enough leads to find CCSVO,CCSVO, CCSVO, rallies going, ie, pigeon hole everything, multiple the business and do sod all other than rattle tins and exploit the vulnerable.

big pharma <<< government <<< academics <<< medical profession <<< charity <<< patient

If you're the patient, I hope you are getting value for money because you're the bottom of the food chain. If not, please try to think of ways to intercept this abuse.

Governments have already stated their intent. They will protect the charities and medical profession every time because it's the best financial option.

P.S. Lot's of shills on this forum but it took me a while to catch on, wasnt expecting it.

[CCSVIhusband]

Malden a secret drug co rep. haha awesome. Is ccsvihusband an undercover employee of a liberation clinic too?

Nope, but each and every one of you has at least 2 of the products my company makes in your homes right now ... in fact 99.8% of Americans have at least 2 of the products my company makes in your homes right now (and most homeless people have one as well).

You'd never guess what it is either ... (it's not socks or batteries - those are the typical things people guess).

[dreddk]

Shoes? I make product that reduces your chances of stroke and vascular disease by 20% and is strictly controlled by the govt who makes billions off it.

[scorpion]

Good discussion involves addressing the failures and the successes and being free to talk about them, without personal attacks and hectoring by those who are evangelists.

That is very well said.

CCSVI isn't a religion.

Not a religion, not a political movement, not a cure...what is it exactly?

I'd say CCSVI is the first real potential cause for hope that's come along since I started following MS.

But it is different things to different people?

Cece I would say it is a medical hypothesis. If it could be discussed as such I do not think we would be having the problems on this board that have surfaced in the last year.

[scorpion]

Malden a secret drug co rep. haha awesome. Is ccsvihusband an undercover employee of a liberation clinic too?

Nope, but each and every one of you has at least 2 of the products my company makes in your homes right now ... in fact 99.8% of Americans have at least 2 of the products my company makes in your homes right now (and most homeless people have one as well).

You'd never guess what it is either ... (it's not socks or batteries - those are the typical things people guess).

Everyone of you has at least two??? Are we including both males and females because if so I will need to make another guess. Ok CCSVI Husband one more clue......

[dunkempt]

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Story of dunkempt's screw-up moved to "new medical myths" thread where it happened.

[CureIous]

I would proffer that cataloging and cross ref'ing people's ip's for the purpose of flushing out the imposters, is a really good way to scare away the few newbies that may have even considered joining this site. Who wants to join a site only to be summarily investigated as to motive? Instead of this site growing and flourishing and becoming a valuable resource, it appears to be a one-stop debate shop and not much else (discounting the valuable advertising resource of course).

Hopefully someone can cross ref my ip and tell me if I'm a shill or not, there should be two showing, one from my blackberry and one from my desktop.

Also, anyone cataloguing ip's should be aware, that some addy's will show as same if they are coming from AOL, WebTv (now MSN TV). It is possible to have multiple people posting from the same proxy server. I'm sure that has been taking into consideration also during these "investigations"? Keep in mind also that some may post at home and at work. Toss all that together, and you can pretty much prove what what you seek to prove.
This is why I was always happy to be the 2nd smartest kid in the class, nothing to prove.

I would also proffer that this is about as close as you can get to creating a hostile environment for the average poster, who's not concerned with being board monitor or loses sleep watching the web 24/7 just in case something happens.

[1eye]

We have an industry with the Robin Hood metality in reverse

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10680062

We want to take from the poor and give to the rich, but in the case of healthcare that makes people DEAD.

I have been trying to explain to someone, that it is almost impossible to imagine the situation, where the smallest thing you usually do for yourself, is not only not now, but all available evidence says, will never again be possible in your life, without help. I think this is akin to trying to imagine a life sentence. It is almost impossible, and I think if many could imagine it, especially after a few years of it, they would successfully avoid it.

That is why I am returning to posting here. I hope I will stay away, and be a more successful lurker, but nobody can predict the future. I want to let the mild cases know: I was considered (by my neurologist) to have a 'mild' case. I was able to walk, and drive, and play guitar, and unable (not surprisingly) to imagine not being able to. I was unable to imagine the key turning forever.

I just wanted to say, that knowing what I know now, I would jump at the chance for Liberation. 'Mild' or not. As I said, nobody can predict the future, but remember there are 150 years of experience with this disease. That is why I have always screamed at the notion of randomized placebo controlled testing. A friend of mine died of MS at 30, in 1972. We would like to pat ourselves on the back and say, we have made a lot of progress since then. But we know the probabilities of this disease. There was a reason, all those years ago, that they had corpses available to be examined. We know what will happen. We know what happens if this disease is untreated. Sometimes very quickly.

Now that there is a very good treatment available for less than your firstborn, take it. I don't have to tell the formerly mild cases. I don't have to tell the people dying of this disease. For them, the key has already been turned. We hope not forever, but if left untreated, there is little doubt what will happen. We have many cases to compare new treatments to, and none of them are alive today.

I also wanted to say something about reverse Robin Hood, and apathy. Apathy is good for reverse Robin. People can stand by, while government is sold off to the private sector, and they can do nothing, while Robin asks volunteers to please do more with less, to please take over those parts of government that can't turn a profit. Many of them will. I think that the inevitable end is full dependance on volunteers, and even then, if someone finds a way for reverse Robin to rob, he will. Leaving nothing even to keep the volunteer sector afloat.

The apathetic will meet the same fate, as those who care, but cannot change things. Only sooner. There is little doubt what reverse Robin, or the disease called 'MS', are up to.

I have been 'Liberated'. And I still can't walk, or drive, or play guitar. My piano playing is improving, though.

[jimmylegs]

http://www.monitoringsocialmedia.co.uk/boston/
Case Study: Social Media Monitoring in the Pharmaceutical Industry
Aafia Chaudhry - JuvoLab & Noesis
Pioneering academic associations and pharmaceutical companies are leveraging social media monitoring to rapidly share breaking clinical data and to improve the attendee experience at medical congresses. In this case study Aafia Chaudhry will explore the impact that social media monitoring made at this year’s American Society of Clinical Oncology (ASCO) Annual Meeting, describing how clinicians, academia, and the pharmaceutical and biotechnology industry have used social media monitoring and providing a framework for best practice.

Pharma Should Forget About Social Media Monitoring
http://tinyurl.com/ltnbsv

[jimmylegs]

off topic i know, my bad.

[CCSVIhusband]

Malden a secret drug co rep. haha awesome. Is ccsvihusband an undercover employee of a liberation clinic too?

Nope, but each and every one of you has at least 2 of the products my company makes in your homes right now ... in fact 99.8% of Americans have at least 2 of the products my company makes in your homes right now (and most homeless people have one as well).

You'd never guess what it is either ... (it's not socks or batteries - those are the typical things people guess).

Everyone of you has at least two??? Are we including both males and females because if so I will need to make another guess. Ok CCSVI Husband one more clue......

Men women and children ... everyone has at least 2 ... you definitely have more in your house than people ... it's not clothes, it's not food.

You probably never think about it, but if I took it away from you, you'd miss it in less than 24 hours.

[Cece]

off topic i know, my bad.

Yes, please stick to the topic of 'guess what CCSVIhusband does for a living.' (btw thanks for the links, I checked them both out.)

Every man, woman and child has two, but homeless people only have one.

It would be missed within twenty-four hours.

A pillow.