why not gastric bypass instead of CCSVI liberation?

Filmmaker · Post by **Filmmaker** » Sat May 07, 2011 12:46 pm

gastric lapband seems to reverse diabetes, cure intracranial hypertension and polycystic ovarian syndrom... Many of us (women Msers, suffer from PCOS too...), so what if our stomach and abdominal pressure was the underlying cause of CCSVI and bad blood flow from the brain...?

hope410 · Post by **hope410** » Sat May 07, 2011 12:55 pm

Lapband doesn't do anything...it is the resulting weight LOSS that results in a reduction of those health issues.

I weigh 105 pounds - are you suggesting a lapband will somehow cure my CCSVI??? Interesting, when I went for CCSVI treatment, the nurse remarked how SKINNY most of the MSer's they were treating seemed to be.

Filmmaker · Post by **Filmmaker** » Sat May 07, 2011 2:53 pm

hope, recent studies done on normal weight people suggest it is NOT the wieght loss that cures diabetes... Surprisingly, the wight remains the same while diabethes is cured... So now they think it must be from the hormonal changes that occur not from the wieght loss... and by the way, maybe it is the hormnoal problem that created the weight gain in the first place for obese people...
Also, check this:
http://www.sharecare.com/question/what- ... neuropathy

symptoms are sooo similar to MS...

hope410 · Post by **hope410** » Sat May 07, 2011 4:06 pm

Neuropathy is neuropathy, regardless of source.

"...hormonal changes occur..." from what? A lapband placement, if no weight loss has occurred? Are people getting lapbands when they aren't over weight? Is lapband now a treatment for diabetes in the normal weight group?

I'm sorry - what does a lapband have to do with CCSVI? Are you now suggesting CCSVIer's have hormonal changes causing their abnormalities that a lapband would somehow correct? In normal weight, non-diabetic, non-PCOS MSer's with CCSVI? Do you have evidence that CCSVIer's have higher rates of diabetes than non-CCSVIer's?

Do you have any research, or is this just throwing some wild idea out there without any basis, hoping it sticks?

IHateMS · Post by **IHateMS** » Sat May 07, 2011 4:39 pm

the lapband surgery/gastric bypass immediately causes the glucose level to drop (as well as hypertension, etc). when i say immediately, i mean the same day as the surgery NOT months later after weight is lost.

the surgery is now being recommended for moderately overweight people who have diabetes and uncontrollable hypertension, etc.

Shannon · Post by **Shannon** » Sat May 07, 2011 5:07 pm

5'3" and 107lbs. here, last time I checked. I don't get how this would work for me.

Cece · Post by **Cece** » Sat May 07, 2011 5:51 pm

Many of us (women Msers, suffer from PCOS too...), so what if our stomach and abdominal pressure was the underlying cause of CCSVI and bad blood flow from the brain...?

MS tends to improve during pregnancy, particularly as the pregnancy gets into the second or third trimester, despite abdominal pressure increasing dramatically....

Filmmaker · Post by **Filmmaker** » Sat May 07, 2011 5:51 pm

As said IhateMS, the glucose drop happens immediately after surgery.... not after wieght loss so obvioulsy it's a bit more complicated than weight issues...
As for the link to CCSVI, the theory is the same as in idiotpathic intracranial hypertension (also treated with gastric bypass by the way...) where it is theorised that the abdominal pressure causes the brain blood vessels to block the blood flow and the cerebrospinal liquid within the brain causing the intracranial pressure to raise... It is not that I am throwing sth and hoping it sticks, it's about researching what causes CCSVI (and why people restenose all the time..) and hopefully find the final cure...
It's an invitation for everyone of us to do some more research , there are many articles on the internet...
Moreover, don't throw away PCOS, many many women with MS have ovarian issues , whether it is PCOS or endometriosis, pcos is treated efficiently with the same gastric bypass as IIH... so guess where is the link?....PCOS is known to almost never remit despite endless hormonal treatments, replacements. how come an intervention on the stomach cures it?....

Filmmaker · Post by **Filmmaker** » Sat May 07, 2011 5:52 pm

Maybe one more reason to explore this is the importance of diet to control MS symptoms... there must be some link wit our stomach...

Filmmaker · Post by **Filmmaker** » Sat May 07, 2011 5:56 pm

cece the abdominal pressure during pregnancy is a mechanical one not from an exces or a problem within the stomach... but progesterone increases probably help during that period...

Shannon · Post by **Shannon** » Sun May 08, 2011 6:37 am

Progesterone has to have some sort of protective effect. Even during the 4 yrs. that I continued breastfeeding my 4th child, my MS treated me much better. For the record, I was also found to have mild endometriosis before I started having children. I never attributed this to MS in any way, but now this has got me to thinking...

Cece · Post by **Cece** » Sun May 08, 2011 6:01 pm

are we talking about inside the stomach? something like this:

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/100719162643.htm

ScienceDaily (July 20, 2010) — Biologists at the California Institute of Technology (Caltech) have demonstrated a connection between multiple sclerosis (MS) -- an autoimmune disorder that affects the brain and spinal cord -- and gut bacteria.

MegansMom · Post by **MegansMom** » Mon May 09, 2011 6:05 am

Just an idea but, the tie in to females patients doing well during pregnancy and lactation may have to do with the impact of hormones on mesenchymal tissue.

Mesenchymal tissue according to the resereacger Dr Lee is what the tissue type is of the venous anomalies in CCSVI.

Mesenchymal tissue demonstrates characteristics when stimulated with female hormones ( it's just like the vaginal walls it becomes "stretchy" with more give and not rigid and unyielding. )

Combine this with the additional blood supply - the blood volume is very much greater during pregnancy

And these 2 things could protect you from the CCSVI from becoming worse during that time. Veins are more relaxed, flow may be better.

After birth and lactation the tissue would lose the signal from the hormone
level dropping, the blood volume goes back to normal and the environment than CCSVI creates can again cause hypoxemia and starvation of brain
tissue, which causes inflammation which leads to symptoms a few months after. This attack a few months after pregnancy or lactation is frequently referred to in studies.

Now this is not tested, yet, but it's at least plausible.

It would be interesting to study this.