No stenosis found in dopple study- Japanese MS/NMO patients

civickiller · Post by **civickiller** » Sun Jul 10, 2011 7:48 pm

i wish someone with known ccsvi would go to japan and have the japanese test for ccsvi lets see their results or vice versa

scorpion · Post by **scorpion** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:50 am

civickiller wrote:i wish someone with known ccsvi would go to japan and have the japanese test for ccsvi lets see their results or vice versa

Great idea!

MegansMom · Post by **MegansMom** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:22 pm

The skeptics should take into consideration that Zamboni ( pre CCSVI discovery) used duplex color Doppler as part of his everyday work teaching vascular medicine ( looking at corotid arterial flow) and just happened to notice that MS patients had reflux. After several were noted and looking into historical data, he did the study - he was already an expert at reading dopplers.

Most Doppler technicians are not used to looking at neck veins.

What satisfaction do you get out of dismissing Zamboni's discovery Scorpion?
Do you just like to stir the pot?

Do your homework and read Hubbard's fMRI BOLD study or are you too busy to do that?

thisisalex · Post by **thisisalex** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:50 am

Everyone mentions Zamboni's 100% as a miracle...

Its not a miracle.
He took 65 (italian) People. He found smaller stenoses and he found bigger stenoses MIXED.
He constructed his 5 criteria.
These criteria MUST have covered ALL 65 patients, by definition.
Remember: he CREATED these criteria.
He had the creator"s right to form them in order to cover ALL his 65 people.
its not a miracle.

With 35 MS patients he only would have created only 3 criteria... which means there might be unknknown criteria... waiting for invention...